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jfern
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« on: September 02, 2015, 11:36:51 PM »

In the recent Qunnippiac poll, Sanders runs 2 points better against Bush than Hillary, 2 points worse against Trump than Hillary, and 1 point worse against Trump than Hillary.  That's really a wash.

Hillary's favorables are 41.9-51.3, -9.4 points in the hole. Sanders' favorables are 36.1-30.5, positive 5.6 points. So Sanders has a lot more room to improve.

I think he might end up similar to Biden, whose favorables are 46.2-41.6, positive 4.6 points, and who ran 4 points better against Bush, 2 points better against Rubio, and 3 points better against Trump than Hillary.

So Hillary is the worst bet of the 3.

Note that I edited incorrect numbers for the Sanders Bush race.
Clinton 42%
Bush 40%

Clinton 44%
Rubio 43%

Clinton 45%
Trump 41%

Biden 45%
Bush 39%

Biden 44%
Rubio 41%

Biden 48%
Trump 40%

Sanders 43%
Bush 39%

Sanders 40%
Rubio 41%

Sanders 44%
Trump 41%

Clinton 40%
Bush 24%
Trump 24%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 12:13:45 AM »

In my opinion Hillary Clinton is the best choice for the Democrats this election. Yes, I said it!

Since politicians left and right have been entering the race, I have been disappointed with most the Democratic candidates. I don't see the appeal for Bernie Sanders at all; he's another Ron and Rand Paul with "progressive" flavoring. Like Sanders, O'Malley is a coward. When the Black Lives Matter moment interrupted their speeches, they backed down with their tale between their legs and kissed ass to the media so they wouldn't come out as negative. I lost all my respect for those two.
So Hillary would have eaten BLM with her tenacious lizard teeth? There really is no reason to call Sanders or O'Malley a coward... The job of politicians is to listen to others ideas and help better represent them. Listen I really hate the way the BLM supporters got up on stage and stole Sanders' mic but, in the end he is now incorporating a lot of new police brutality language into his speeches. On to your point of them kissing the Media's ass. I don't follow O'Malley, but I have seen most of Bernie's moments on air and I really do not see what you are getting at.

I know this rant seems like a mad Sanders supporter getting upset at any Hillary poster, but when you attack someone for "kissing ass" and being a "coward" for listening to ideas and being part of our democracy that crosses the line to me.

No, I see where you're coming from in your reply. While I don't always follow the news, I feel both Sanders and O'Malley were cowards because they're not very confrontational and just backed down.  I feel that's a bad weakness if they want to become President.

While I don't know how it has affect Sander's campaign, when it happened to O'Malley, he commented that "all lives matter; including black lives" but he soon backtracked and regretted saying "all lives matter". To me it was wrong of him to backtracked. Like he was wrong for saying all lives mattered.

While I know Hillary isn't perfect as a candidate either, I love that she's more confident that the rest of the Democratic candidates. Just wish other than Sanders someone was willing to call her out and challenge her, make them both look good in the progress. 

Hillary is the weak one with all of her focus groups telling her what to say. Sanders has taken strong stands, whether it was for gay pride in 1985 as mayor, one of the few elected white politicians for Jesse Jackson in 1988, one of the few to vote against the Glass Steagall in 1999, or the Patriot Act in 2001. He strongly opposed the Iraq war in 2002. His votes show a courage, which Hillary does not.
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jfern
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 12:34:28 AM »
« Edited: September 03, 2015, 12:36:34 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

That will be a great campaign slogan for Bernie Sanders. No, I understand Hillary is nowhere near perfect, nor is anyone else and I understand a lot of voters would find her history, views, and stances unfavorably.

This might sound bias, but I love that she's a woman. She does break down the glass ceiling and influences future woman leaders. No, I'm not a "PUMA" someone who thinks just because Hillary is a woman, therefore she's better than the men. No, that's wrong! I hated when many where upset just because Barack Obama got the nomination, only to be elected soon afterword.

For me Hillary's character is what I'm attracted to. But I need to learn more about her and the other candidates before I participate in voting. I want the best  candidate for my choice


Obviously the US should elect a female President, but it should be someone who is the best candidate that time. Teachout would have made a better governor of NY than Cuomo, and would have been the first female governor of NY, but Hillary endorsed Cuomo and Teachout lost.

Hillary is a very very strong choice for president and I think that a majority of Americans know this and will end up voting for her, despite not necessarily loving her. She just oozes competence and always have.

Her high unfavorables are a problem in the general election. And being the most competent of the 2 doesn't mean you win the general election. Look at 2004. Anyone sane would agree that Kerry is more competent than Bush.
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jfern
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 12:37:47 AM »

Hillary is still most likely to win and most likely to get as much of the Democratic agenda implemented as possible.

The polls show otherwise on the winning part. And her husband seemed to mostly get 3rd way or Republican (is there much of a difference?) agenda implemented.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 02:18:58 AM »

I say yes, solely because we know exactly what we're getting if she's the nominee. The media and the Republicans have thrown the kitchen sink at her, and definitely put a dent in her support. But, she's clearly still in the best standing of all the candidates, despite her lower favorability ratings. Sanders would have to rely on the Republicans nominating someone farther out of the mainstream than he is to win (not actually all that unlikely), while Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. Nominating someone like Sanders or Biden might get the Democrats their win, but both are high-risk high-reward.

Biden is the low risk low reward candidate. Hillary is the high risk low reward candidate. Sanders is the high risk high reward candidate.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 02:35:44 AM »

4. Yeah, I know, damn southerner! No politician in their right mind would defend the confederate flag and especially not use it in campaign memorabilia...


Unofficial; not made by the campaign; etc etc

OK, but in 1987, he signed a bill affirming that the stars on the Arkansas flag represent the Confederacy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/bill-clinton-arkansas-confederate_n_7638542.html

Somehow, I doubt a certain Jesse Jackson supporter in Vermont approved of that (had he been following the bill).
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