Kerry was 1, Edwards was 4. what about these people

[Citizen James]

Washington was a -3, Jefferson was a -5, And Paine was off the charts.

Society evolves.   The old joke is how a conservative is someone who respects liberals centuries after they're dead.   Our founding fathers weren't just liberals for their time - they were quite literally revolutionaries.  I have little doubt that if many of you had lived in the colonial era, you would have been blasting all these 'traitors to the crown', who dared to defy the divine right of kings.  Many of you would likely have loathed Washington, and wanted nothing more than to see his head on a pike.

So, next time you post about how much you hate liberals, try to remember that what you really hate is the ideals of free speech and individual rights  our founding fathers held so dearly.   I know they were human, and had flaws.  Eventually we overcame the blight of slavery, and we are gradually taming the racism that accompanied it (though it wouldn't suprise me much if some of you monarchists wanted to reinstate it).

I don't think all conservatives hate America.  There is some wisdom in caution - making sure change is nessisary, not just change for changes sake.  But those conservatives tend to be rather civil - viewing liberals as misguided or overzealious.   The sort of 'conservatives' who define themselves by hate and rage, well, they'd probably be quite at home with Linburgh and his buddies.   A pity really,  a life defined by hate is a wasted and retched one, a prison within one's own ego.   I know many of you are still young, and may yet grow beyond such drama.  But in the end, the choice is yours - life as an ordinary human being, with hopes, dreams, ideals, opinions, tollerance, and a mutual respect built on the golden rule; or, a living hell as you cling to a dark worldview like a piece of floatsom in an uncaring sea.

Peace be with you.

Or not.  It's your life and your choice.