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« on: August 02, 2015, 07:36:59 PM »

Clinton's slightly favored.  Honestly, Jeb isn't that weak of a candidate, he's just in a horrible position to take advantage of Clinton's weaknesses.

Clinton's weaknesses are that by many, she's seen as a career politician, a Washington insider, part of a political dynasty, and corrupt.  While Bush could still try to criticize her on these points, it would be a lot less effective coming from him.
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 10:15:55 PM »

What makes you think that the 2016 election will be a referndum on the Bush and Clinton presidencies? Also, DeadPrez, Bush would do better with minorities than Romney. He will rally the base because the base hates Clinton. If you think Bush has a 0% chance of winning, you're wrong.  

Additionally, young voters will be more Republican in 2016 than 2012 or 2008.  How much will be the question, but every poll shows that the current 18 year olds are much more conservative than those 5 or 10 years ago (someone 18 on Election Day would have potentially only been 9 during the "hope and change" primary).
Could you link us to some of these polls?

2014 Exit polls show that 18 - 24 year olds voted the same as the 25-29 age group, both 16 - 17 points more Democratic than the nation.  If there is a conservative young generation, they weren't of voting age in 2014.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2015, 09:35:57 PM »

What makes you think that the 2016 election will be a referndum on the Bush and Clinton presidencies? Also, DeadPrez, Bush would do better with minorities than Romney. He will rally the base because the base hates Clinton. If you think Bush has a 0% chance of winning, you're wrong.  

Additionally, young voters will be more Republican in 2016 than 2012 or 2008.  How much will be the question, but every poll shows that the current 18 year olds are much more conservative than those 5 or 10 years ago (someone 18 on Election Day would have potentially only been 9 during the "hope and change" primary).
Could you link us to some of these polls?

2014 Exit polls show that 18 - 24 year olds voted the same as the 25-29 age group, both 16 - 17 points more Democratic than the nation.  If there is a conservative young generation, they weren't of voting age in 2014.

We have had a whole thread on it.  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=215270.0

Also, look at the 2013 VA Gubernatorial race, where Cuccinelli actually won young voters despite losing.  Similar things occured in many key races last year.  A October Harvard poll actually indicated a majority of 18-24 year olds preferring a Republican Congress. 
I am well aware of that thread, and I'm saying here what I posted on there.

The problem with that Virginia race, was that a Libertarian candidate got 15% of the young vote.
While you could have made the argument that those voters would prefer the Republican to the Democrat, 2014 exit polls for Virginia Senate race show otherwise.  Warner beat Gillespie by 13 points among the 18 - 24 age group, compared to 11 points for the entire 18 - 29 age group.  By your logic, the 18 - 24 age group should be even more Republican in 2014 than it was in 2013, we don't see that.

While some Harvard poll may have said that 18 - 24 year olds preferred a Republican congress in the 2014 midterms, it appears to be wrong: 18-24 year olds ended up voting overwhelmingly for Democrats in 2014.  This simple date point makes it very hard for you to make any headway (at least until we get some detailed 2016 polling on the topic).


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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2015, 09:49:36 PM »

What makes you think that the 2016 election will be a referndum on the Bush and Clinton presidencies? Also, DeadPrez, Bush would do better with minorities than Romney. He will rally the base because the base hates Clinton. If you think Bush has a 0% chance of winning, you're wrong.  

Additionally, young voters will be more Republican in 2016 than 2012 or 2008.  How much will be the question, but every poll shows that the current 18 year olds are much more conservative than those 5 or 10 years ago (someone 18 on Election Day would have potentially only been 9 during the "hope and change" primary).
Could you link us to some of these polls?

2014 Exit polls show that 18 - 24 year olds voted the same as the 25-29 age group, both 16 - 17 points more Democratic than the nation.  If there is a conservative young generation, they weren't of voting age in 2014.

We have had a whole thread on it.  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=215270.0

Also, look at the 2013 VA Gubernatorial race, where Cuccinelli actually won young voters despite losing.  Similar things occured in many key races last year.  A October Harvard poll actually indicated a majority of 18-24 year olds preferring a Republican Congress. 
I am well aware of that thread, and I'm saying here what I posted on there.

The problem with that Virginia race, was that a Libertarian candidate got 15% of the young vote.
While you could have made the argument that those voters would prefer the Republican to the Democrat, 2014 exit polls for Virginia Senate race show otherwise.  Warner beat Gillespie by 13 points among the 18 - 24 age group, compared to 11 points for the entire 18 - 29 age group.  By your logic, the 18 - 24 age group should be even more Republican in 2014 than it was in 2013, we don't see that.

While some Harvard poll may have said that 18 - 24 year olds preferred a Republican congress in the 2014 midterms, it appears to be wrong: 18-24 year olds ended up voting overwhelmingly for Democrats in 2014.  This simple date point makes it very hard for you to make any headway (at least until we get some detailed 2016 polling on the topic).




Note that the FOX exit poll confirms that 18-24 year olds were slightly more Republican than 25-29 year olds, despite having to deal with the 1990-1991 crowd still, who won't be an "issue" for 18-24 in 2016.  Look for a major gap between 18-24 and 25-30 in this next cycle.
"Slightly More Republican"
18 - 24: 54% Democrat 44% Republican
25 - 29: 54% Democrat 43% Republican

But whatever makes you feel better.
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