Even if you feel like you might get raped, you may not, so no guns for you

[krazen1211]

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/18/co-democrat-hey-even-if-you-feel-like-youre-gonna-get-raped-you-might-not-so-no-guns-for-you/

“It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at. And you don’t know if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around or if you feel like you’re in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop … pop around at somebody.”





Ah. This must be what they mean by the war on women.

[krazen1211]

I watched the video. How does this not make sense? Of course you don't want someone who merely feels uncomfortable to merely pull out a gun and stop shooting. That's why college campuses have blue lights, telephones and public safety.

Obviously misleading OP is misleading.

Lawful CCW individuals aren't in the business of merely pulling out guns and shooting in such a manner. Indeed, they commit crime and violent crime at a rate far lower than regular folk.

[krazen1211]

I watched the video. How does this not make sense? Of course you don't want someone who merely feels uncomfortable to merely pull out a gun and stop shooting. That's why college campuses have blue lights, telephones and public safety.

Obviously misleading OP is misleading.

Lawful CCW individuals aren't in the business of merely pulling out guns and shooting in such a manner. Indeed, they commit crime and violent crime at a rate far lower than regular folk.

I'm willing to concede that this may be the case, if you have sources to cite.

Very well. The great state of Texas keeps track of such things.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

Texas CHL individuals commit .189% of crimes, including 3 murders, 3 manslaughters, and 20 assaults of family violence.

Texas CHL individuals consist of roughly 1.8% of the overall above 21 population. There are roughly 520,000 such CHL individuals.

These are good law abiding folk that commit far less than their share of crimes.


Kansas came up with the same.

Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.

That works out to one charge for every 1,161 permit holders, or 0.09 percent.

[krazen1211]

What about stand your ground style shootings in which the shooter commits murder but is rarely charged? Your stats are skewed.

Murder refers to an unlawful shooting. Why are you referring to lawful shootings?

The leftist state of Massachusetts, for one, commits 10 firearm murders per 500,000.

[krazen1211]

I hear the human body has ways of shutting the whole thing down when penetrated by an unwanted bullet.

Well, the people are shutting violent criminals down with their guns. Justified homicide is publicly documented.

[krazen1211]

I watched the video. How does this not make sense? Of course you don't want someone who merely feels uncomfortable to merely pull out a gun and stop shooting. That's why college campuses have blue lights, telephones and public safety.

Obviously misleading OP is misleading.

Lawful CCW individuals aren't in the business of merely pulling out guns and shooting in such a manner. Indeed, they commit crime and violent crime at a rate far lower than regular folk.

I'm willing to concede that this may be the case, if you have sources to cite.

Very well. The great state of Texas keeps track of such things.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

Texas CHL individuals commit .189% of crimes, including 3 murders, 3 manslaughters, and 20 assaults of family violence.

Texas CHL individuals consist of roughly 1.8% of the overall above 21 population. There are roughly 520,000 such CHL individuals.

These are good law abiding folk that commit far less than their share of crimes.


Kansas came up with the same.

Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.

That works out to one charge for every 1,161 permit holders, or 0.09 percent.

You're not comparing apples to apples here, Krazen.  Because of the background checks that CCW holders are subjected to, they are already from a group that on average should be less likely to commit crime, since past criminal behavior is a predictor of the probability one will commit crime in the future.  A fair comparison to see whether being of the type that would apply for a CCW permit means you are less likely to commit crime in the future would compare the crime rates of those who have a CCW permit to those who could have one but choose not to get one.

Individuals who could have a CCW permit but lack one are already legally barred from carrying on a college campus. This particular legislation can only target those who possess lawful Colorado CCW permits or those in a state in which Colorado shares reciprocity.

If one's goal is to inhibit unlawful shootings, it is quite curious to target the 2% who are not engaging in such unlawful shootings in the first place.

On the other hand, if one's goal is to single out the 2% due to not liking them, that is standard policy for the Democratic Party. I am certainly used to it myself.

Of course I am quite curious as to how one would determine the denominator of the 'could have one' population figure as such is determined by a proper background check.