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« on: January 21, 2020, 09:20:51 AM »

Damn, I wish I could live rent free in my apartment the way Bernie does in Hillary's head.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 10:05:55 AM »

I just donated to Bernie, thanks for reminding me to do so, Hillary!
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 10:56:53 AM »

I know a lot of Bernie supporters who voted for Hillary in 2016 (I was one of them) and have committed to voting for the Democratic nominee in 2020, no matter what. And, just speaking for myself here, I did that because I see the bigger picture, understand the implications of electing Donald Trump, and do not see an equivalence between someone like Hillary or Biden and Trump. I understand that, given the choice, being marginally better than the worst man to ever run for President is better than nothing at all.

That being said, I don't think Hillary appreciates how many of Bernie's supporters voted for her for the same reasons, nor does she appreciate the work Bernie did to try and garner her as much support from his base as possible. It goes without saying that he and Hillary are about as ideologically divergent as two candidates for the Democratic nomination have ever been. And he still did the work to get her elected because he saw the same conundrum I saw.

So those leaping to Hillary's defense here have to understand why this is so particularly out of line; many, many Bernie supporters fell in line for Hillary in 2016 despite our extreme ideological differences. She has been unwilling for 4 years to do the same or even so much as express gratitude that Bernie worked to try and bridge that gap. She has always been caustic in her language speaking about him, as if all he did was ruthlessly, relentlessly attack her for no reason and never worked to get her elected.

I am still committed to vote blue no matter who, but I fail to see the more centrist Democrats on here commit to the same sentiment should Bernie get the nomination. I always see people say "well Bernie isn't a real Democrat anyway" as if that's any justification for overruling the voice of the Democratic electorate (should they choose to make him the nominee) and hand a second term to Donald Trump. Remember how pissed people got at Howard Schultz when he was thinking of running as a third party candidate?

The point here is that the far left has been as patient and acquiescent to the will of the Democratic establishment as possible given the gap in ideologies; the reverse has not been true. The moderate wing sees the far left as the same kind of threat that the far right sees them as; this is about as politically volatile as anything the right is doing. Either we unite as a party under the banner of the candidate our voters choose, or we accept Trump's re-election. And if Joe Biden is the nominee, I'll be damned if I'm not making calls or knocking on doors for him. I expect the same to be true if Bernie is the nominee. And if you consider yourself a Democrat but will not agree to that absolutely imperative compromise, then it is you who is not a real Democrat.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 11:49:01 AM »

That being said, I don't think Hillary appreciates how many of Bernie's supporters voted for her for the same reasons, nor does she appreciate the work Bernie did to try and garner her as much support from his base as possible. It goes without saying that he and Hillary are about as ideologically divergent as two candidates for the Democratic nomination have ever been. And he still did the work to get her elected because he saw the same conundrum I saw.

Are you kidding me? If anything, it hurt her that he didn't endorse her sooner. And indeed it did. It was insane that he stayed in the race for so long after the voting had ended & she had clearly defeated him.

If you'll recall, the Democratic convention was in July, yet Bernie waited 6 weeks (until September) to begin campaigning in stride for her, whereas, when Obama won the nomination in 2008, Hillary was out on the campaign trail for him 2-3 days later after a convention which had served as the culmination of a much more brutal primary.

So please spare us the BS about Hillary apparently not "appreciat[ing] the work Bernie did to try and garner her as much support from his base as possible."

Some seem to remember Bernie going out and putting in real work to get Hillary elected, but maybe that's just from some partisan hack, like...-checks notes-...Rachel Maddow?

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 03:45:52 PM »



This is why I like Steyer.

I want to not like him but goddammit he's so charming
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 04:23:54 PM »



This is why I like Steyer.

Steyer seems to have some weird need to get Sanders to like him. He tried to speak to him and Sanders acted like Steyer was garbage. Sanders doesn't like him because of his wealth, but Steyer doesn't seem to realize that.

You didn't see them dancing together at the same event, laughing and acting cordial to one another?
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