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« on: November 19, 2019, 08:27:40 AM »

Not shelling out $25 for that thing, but it beats Jeb!'s guac bowl.

And JEB!'s guac bowl beats Beto's guac bowl.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2020, 09:43:51 AM »

This whole hullabaloo has really left a bad taste in my mouth for Warren. I won't go quite so far as to say she's a snake or a backstabber, but this is certainly a gross thing to do and anyone who knows Bernie knows that he would never say what she has accused him of saying. By deliberately waiting until this moment of desperation to bring this back up (the conversation allegedly happened over a year ago), it shows that this was a calculated political move and nothing else. Which is incredibly sad and frustrating. Instead of drawing legitimate policy distinctions, Warren is taking the low road and trying to smear Bernie for her own gain.

This is not as egregious as the things Pete to ultimately lose my support, but it is getting to the point where it is too late in the game to equivocate on these things...so I guess I'm on team Bernie. But I'll still enthusiastically support Warren if she somehow gets the nomination.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 09:07:31 AM »

She had no path to the nomination. Nevertheless, she persisted.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 09:37:45 AM »

Warren isn't trying to win the nomination anymore.  Her plan is to hope for a contested convention and to go into it with enough delegates to have leverage over policy and staffing in the next administration.  She's obviously not going to be the nominee, or even the veep pick, but if Biden (or Sanders) needs her votes to get past the line to a majority she could negotiate for Treasury (and maybe get her buddy Castro a job like AG as well).  Or she could hold out for assurances that the criminality of the Trump administration will be prosecuted and not swept under the rug.  Either way, she's doing what good politicians do:  get leverage and use it to get what you want.

You know whose administration she'd have far more leverage in if she got out of the race and stopped impeding his ability to win in states like MN, MA, TX, etc?
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 10:59:48 AM »

Warren isn't trying to win the nomination anymore.  Her plan is to hope for a contested convention and to go into it with enough delegates to have leverage over policy and staffing in the next administration.  She's obviously not going to be the nominee, or even the veep pick, but if Biden (or Sanders) needs her votes to get past the line to a majority she could negotiate for Treasury (and maybe get her buddy Castro a job like AG as well).  Or she could hold out for assurances that the criminality of the Trump administration will be prosecuted and not swept under the rug.  Either way, she's doing what good politicians do:  get leverage and use it to get what you want.

You know whose administration she'd have far more leverage in if she got out of the race and stopped impeding his ability to win in states like MN, MA, TX, etc?

I'm not sure you know what leverage means.

I'm not sure SHE knows what leverage means in this scenario. Burning bridges with her closest ideological companion in national politics and then crashing and burning herself means she damaged her chance to pretty much control large swathes of President Sanders' policy agenda, either as VP or Secretary of the Treasury or Commerce or what have you.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 11:21:55 AM »

Warren isn't trying to win the nomination anymore.  Her plan is to hope for a contested convention and to go into it with enough delegates to have leverage over policy and staffing in the next administration.  She's obviously not going to be the nominee, or even the veep pick, but if Biden (or Sanders) needs her votes to get past the line to a majority she could negotiate for Treasury (and maybe get her buddy Castro a job like AG as well).  Or she could hold out for assurances that the criminality of the Trump administration will be prosecuted and not swept under the rug.  Either way, she's doing what good politicians do:  get leverage and use it to get what you want.

You know whose administration she'd have far more leverage in if she got out of the race and stopped impeding his ability to win in states like MN, MA, TX, etc?

I'm not sure you know what leverage means.

I'm not sure SHE knows what leverage means in this scenario. Burning bridges with her closest ideological companion in national politics and then crashing and burning herself means she damaged her chance to pretty much control large swathes of President Sanders' policy agenda, either as VP or Secretary of the Treasury or Commerce or what have you.

Warren sees what all clear-sighted observers can see:  Sanders has no interest in or ability to practice coalition politics.  He's an ideologue who rejects compromise, a man who surrounds himself with toxic sycophants.  There's no reason to assume he'd do right by her, even if she did kiss his ass.

His campaign was literally looking into if she could legally serve as VP and Secretary of Treasury at the same time just a few months ago. How could you possibly say that he would end up screwing her over.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 02:07:20 PM »

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/the-fight-goes-on-8f5ca2b4b557
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You know liberty green everything was key here — my personal favorites included the liberty green boas, liberty green sneakers, liberty green make up, liberty green hair, and liberty green glitter — liberally applied. But it was so much more.

Wow I had no idea this was a thing... guess that’s where all the “Liz is a snake” Bernie Bro comments came from

Stop.
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