SENATE BILL: 5th Amendment to the Proportional Representation Act (law'd)

[Napoleon]

Motion to table simply because I think its one of the worst ideas ever

[Napoleon]

Why?

I've already said why but any law that allows an election loser to end up with a seat will meet my strongest and firmest opposition.

[Napoleon]

Lol Nay I guess.

[Napoleon]

Sorry. Debate could have continued during that. :/

[Napoleon]

A by-election like we already do...

[Napoleon]

I wouldn't support that. First of all, as we just witnessed, elections are fun. Lets have them. Secondly, the seat we just filled is from a party that no longer exists. That wouldn't even work.

I think countbacks and appointments are insufficiently democratic.

The only issue with the current system is the delay.

[Napoleon]

Nay

[Napoleon]

Aye, I don't see anything wrong with it.

You don't see anything wrong with political parties picking Senators instead of voters?

[Napoleon]

This can be taken advantage of easily (and if it passes I hope this is attempted). One party could run a very popular candidate who may not want to actually be a Senator and then for four months we can deal with having an inactive extremist who was never elected as a Senator.

If Duke is elected President he could be replaced by JCL!

[Napoleon]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

I am pretty sure you getting elected would make Cincinnatus VP so how could he replace you in the Senate if he is VP?

[Napoleon]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

I am pretty sure you getting elected would make Cincinnatus VP so how could he replace you in the Senate if he is VP?

I misread you. For some reason, I was assuming you meant if I was elected President and disappeared, someone would replace me with JCL. I have spent the better part of the past 3 days in the hospital with my grandfather, so bear with me.

Ok, we are talking about the At Large Senate seats here. We have already witnessed how appointments can be abused.

[Napoleon]

The CID wasn't really a small party at the time was it? It got 2nd place in August and Senator Jbrase was a member. So i don't think they were a small party or that they died because a Senate seat was lost. They could have held Jbrase's seat, who himself had been elected to the Senate through a special election without being a member of a large party. I'm not buying this at all and even if these were valid arguments to back up that claim there isn't really any reason I've been given why it is a valid claim.

Why should helping a small party that may or may not exist trump Democratic will?
Why should the citizens think this is anything other than a bipartisan back up plan for the October election?

[Napoleon]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their ember total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

The JCP didn't hold Oakvale's seat.

Either way it is totally besides the point. Why should members in small parties receive special treatment?

[Napoleon]

I propose getting rid of all of this concession nonsense altogether.

[Napoleon]

Nay