neoconservatives vs new right

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based on semantics they would seem to be the same thing but my opinion is that they were not. Neoconservatives were not particularly ideological and were hawkish on military matters and objected to the excesses of liberal regimes (ie John Lindsay) but otherwise were truman/stevenson guys of the past.

The new right on the other hand was sort of a modern iteration of past movements such as Gerald L.K. Smith, Clare Hoffman, America First, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh in the 1940s; Bricker, Taft, McCarthy, Jenner in the 1950s and the Carto, Goldwater, Schlafly, Ashbrook in the 1960s. The new right, in my opinion, was more or less the old AIP with a different name.

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Which "New Right" are we talking about here? The one epitomized by Frank Meyer and William F. Buckley, Jr. or the one represented by Richard Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips, etc.?

the latter

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but aren't there those who identify as neocons but are anti-gay, anti-Islam, pro-personhood and anti-drug reform?
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Tom Cotton?

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thought I would bump this six year old thread. I feel like this explains the difference between the sort of Kristol/Bulwark types and the Claremont/AmGreatness types. The former are more neoconservative while the latter, while sharing some of the same foreign policy, is more "new right". It's a subtle distinction but if you follow politics long enough - you will get the difference.

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How do paleocons fit in with this? I also feel like there's this underrated pseudo-paleocon tradition typified by Alan Keyes, which was all about fetishizing Western classics. But then again, his mentor was Allan Bloom, whose mentor was Leo Strauss, and his grad school roommate was Kristol, so I guess maybe he was more of a highfalutin pseudo-neocon.

paleocon is sort of like talking about prog rock. It isn't as descriptive as you think. The paleocons I respect are the sort of libertarian lew rockwell types. But then there is another type of paleocon that is just extreme conservatism more than anything else. Like I don't know if you could call him a paleocon, but Sohrab Ahmari is what I think of when discussing the latter.

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The New Right, to me, are the rabid anti-gay, anti-Islam, anti-marijuana, anti-social-liberalism brigade.

Neocons are just neoliberals with a penchant for military interventionism and aggressive foreign policy. Born from 9/11 and Chinese monetary hijinks.

The "New Right" is just what everyone calls the "alt-right" then.  Funny enough, Mr. Alt-Right himself, Richard Spencer endorsed Biden! 

If we're thinking the new Trumpian right: it's more anti-immigration, anti-terrorism (but also anti-war), anti-taxes, anti-regulation.  LGBT isn't really something that's a priority. And I'd say at least are classic liberal and but socially conservative. 

But the Neocon definition is pretty spot-on.

You're confusing the alt-right with breitbart/malkin tier stuff. Spencer is basically a white moderate/liberal who wants a white homeland. He dislikes the aforementioned website/pundit just as much as any lefty does.