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« on: November 22, 2013, 12:35:36 PM »

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2013, 09:21:47 PM »

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Where do the fiscal conservatives and libertarians go?

depends what type of libertarian. A Lew Rockwell or Alex Jones type of libertarian (if you want to call them that) go in the AIP, more left libertarians go in the Universalist Party. Same for ficons, most republicans are ficons but the tea party type ficons go to the AIP while fiscal conservatives with some reservations (think someone like Richard Hanna) go to the Universalist Party.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 01:05:02 AM »

If I had to complete a map for this.



It was a fairly tough one to estimate.

agree with AIP, but I think you have ALP and Universalist party mixed up. Universalist party is a mix between upscale dems and moderate republicans while the American Labor Party is probably 55+ percent minority.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 10:55:18 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2013, 10:56:52 PM by No Limit ----- »

Due to the way the primary system is set up, certain groups will have a disproportionate influence on the major parties.

If you go from two major parties to three, their influence on an individual party can be even stronger since they're going to be a larger share of the primary vote. The alternative is that there may be a schism of some sorts, IE- if some members of the religious right stick to the AIP, while others go to the universalists.

African-Americans would probably have a larger influence on the American Labor Party than on the Democrats.

We're not really accustomed to three-party elections in the US and the ways a strong third party candidate can help the greater of two evils win. You could look at the 2010 British parliamentary elections where conservatives got 47% of seats with 36% of the vote, and Liberal Democrats only got 9% of seats with 23% of the vote.

We're also not used to it being the norm for politicians to not have a majority of the vote. That can make it difficult to govern. Obama's difficulties would be even greater if he won 40% in a three way race.

exactly. I should elaborate on the bases of each party:

AIP - working class/middle class whites, conservative christians, young white families with children

ALP - blacks and hispanics, union members (particularly UFW and SEIU) and some sympathetic college students

Universalists - Seculars, Episcopalians, Jews, and the professional class in general, particularly what David Brooks calls the "bobos".
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