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Blue Rectangle
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« on: June 20, 2005, 12:25:24 PM »

A few thoughts on this:
--They were the "dominate European power for over a century", but why then downplay the power of England or Spain, who had golden ages of similar length (the British Empire was "a blip in history"?).
--There's a lot of ad hoc arguments here (changing standards to fit the theory).  England and Spain controlled huge empires overseas, but that doesn't matter as much as conquering Europe--why?  The Holy Roman Empire doesn't count, but the Carlolinian Empire does?
--England failed in the 18th and 19th centurys to conquer land in Europe.  Were they trying?
--In the England vs. France argument, isn't it notable that France hasn't won a major battle in England for almost 1000 years, but England controlled large portions of modern France during the late Middle Ages and the Renaissance.
--Is it just me, or is this argument just trying to stretch "Napolean was a great general" into "France has a long history of military successes"?
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2005, 01:51:48 PM »

Bleh bleh bleh. Spain piggybacked on Portugal's pioneering navigation and then held onto a sucky backwater that failed to develop economically while giant Spanish ships shipping back inflation into Europe couldnt' defend themselves against an uneducated Englishman on a tiny little boat (see Francis Drake). Spain's grand armada was then destroyed by a tiny little heretical island-nation led by an illegitimate heretical young woman in a single day. No European nation is more of a failure than Spain. Not to mention that it was ruled by North Africans for 800 years, the only major European nation to be ruled by Africans.
The Spainish blew it economically, but we're talking about military strength.  Spain's naval collapse is important, but it was basically replaced by England, not France.  France's navy did eventually become a force, but briefly.

Your point on Spain being ruled by Africans brings up an important point.  What little positives there are in France's military history can be summed up in three words: location, location, location.  Spain was vulernable to the Moors, Eastern Europe was vulernable to the Turks/Tartars/Mongols/Magyars/etc., and Britain and North-Central Europe were vulnerable to the Vikings.  Thus, the Carolingian Empire was surrounded by buffer states and France survived this period relatively untouched.  In the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, Spain continued to buffer France against Islam, eastern threats did not extend west into Germany, let alone France, and the Viking threat was gone.  Germany and Italy had other concerns (mostly internal) and posed no threat to France.  This left France with only England to worry about, and England mostly had it's way with France during this time.
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