Hillary.

[Liberalrocks]

Snowstalker... you are bothered by the Clinton supporters? Boy, try being a Hillaryite in 2008 and dealing with the Obamatards. Ten times worse, especially because it was so clear that Obama would turn out bad.

THIS, His supporters cheated in many of the caucus states which ran up his margins yielding him more delegates.  I did vote for Obama in 2012 because I agree with his agenda. I am not always confident in his ability to navigate Washington. His presentation of his agenda has always needed improvement, needs to be much more decisive and firm.  I dont think Hillary would have had quite the issues there even if they did attempt to block her as well.

[Liberalrocks]

I would support Clinton if she was the only option for keeping the White House in Democratic hands, which doesn't seem likely, supposing that we still have a good field to choose from in 2016 and she doesn't scare away some of the more progressive possibilities.

That said, I basically agree with Snowstalker's reading of Clinton. There's a reason I was for John Edwards and then for Barack Obama in 2008. Clinton is certainly a winning candidate, but I would prefer one that is to her left.

Of course, I'll vote for whomever the D nominee is because the Republicans are insufferable and cannot be trusted in government. But a Hillary nomination would certainly be a roadblock to the evolution of the Democratic Party into a fully progressive party.

I am a progressive and I strongly disagree, Hillary and Obama were almost carbon copies on many of the issues in 2008. With the exception of the Iraq War vote which Obama used to rally the Move on Crowd, much of the race was fought over style, media appeal, slogans "change" and "experience"..."ready to lead" bs.

[Liberalrocks]

Obama did not campaign as a liberal messiah. He campaigned as a pragmatist. One that fully advocated for increased drone usage I might add.

LOL I must have been watching another heated democratic primary then?!!! Move on.org was singing his praises over his Iraq war opposition. The liberal lion Ted Kennedy himself campaigned for him.

[Liberalrocks]

Obama did not campaign as a liberal messiah. He campaigned as a pragmatist. One that fully advocated for increased drone usage I might add.

LOL I must have been watching another heated democratic primary then?!!! Move on.org was singing his praises over his Iraq war opposition. The liberal lion Ted Kennedy himself campaigned for him.

I said he himself. Just because liberals flocked around him does not make his campaign ultra-liberal. We were watching the same primary, you just had the Hillary goggles superglued to your face. I seem to recall you refusing to support or vote for Obama in 2012, and blamed Obama for Prop 8 passing in California.

I did not vote for Obama in 2008 that is correct, I did vote for him in 2012, I will ignore your insult and not return it. I blamed Obama for not speaking out against Prop 8 in fervor yes, and I still do, while I commend his "evolution" on the issue he simply was not there in 2008.

[Liberalrocks]

Obama did not campaign as a liberal messiah. He campaigned as a pragmatist. One that fully advocated for increased drone usage I might add.

LOL I must have been watching another heated democratic primary then?!!! Move on.org was singing his praises over his Iraq war opposition. The liberal lion Ted Kennedy himself campaigned for him.

I said he himself. Just because liberals flocked around him does not make his campaign ultra-liberal. We were watching the same primary, you just had the Hillary goggles superglued to your face. I seem to recall you refusing to support or vote for Obama in 2012, and blamed Obama for Prop 8 passing in California.

I did not vote for Obama in 2008 that is correct, I did vote for him in 2012, I will ignore your insult and not return it. I blamed Obama for not speaking out against Prop 8 in fervor yes, and I still do, while I commend his "evolution" on the issue he simply was not there in 2008.

You are correct, he did not campaign against Prop 8 or for gay marriage in 2008. Which further goes to show: he did not campaign as a liberal messiah. Others may have viewed him in that way, but that was not his intention.

That is but one issue, while a big one now, there were many other liberal causes that the left seem to favor him on over Hillary. I believe he did purposely run to the left of her to gain traction...whatever it is to be called "liberal messiah" or what have you.