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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« on: April 02, 2018, 06:54:04 PM »

Worded unbelievably badly, but the point itself (that Democrats have a political interest in keeping people poor) is not entirely false.

MasterJedi's responses to you are pretty idiotic, but this post is also really dumb. Saying Democrats have a political interest in keeping people poor is like saying that people have a political interest in murdering their opposition. Sure, in some fantasy land, Democrats are strategizing about how to keep people poor so they will continue to vote for them. But that level of cynicism and lack of faith have the same level of intellectual merit as asserting that Obama was born in Kenya (probably less, to be honest). Even if you want to argue that welfare systems are ineffective that's entirely different than saying that Democrats trying to keep people poor.

Yeah, on the whole you're probably right. I think the average Democrat does truly want to see people be lifted out of poverty, and I'm not trying to say popular support for welfare programs is based around a desire to keep poor people voting for Democrats. However, I think a lot of Democratic politicians like having this as an issue to run on, as it's very easy to paint Republicans as boogey-men. The debate about poverty is one that needs to be VERY nuanced and thoughtful, but is often presented by Democrats as "We good, GOP wants you to die. The end", and nothing could be further from the truth.
there are other studies that point to obviously better life outcomes for people on certain programs even in ways you wouldn't expect. like children that had access to health insurance through medicaid are less likely to be obese. and less likely to be on food stamps or other government programs in adult hood

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mille/MillerWherry_Prenatal2015.pdf
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 05:32:03 PM »

Also rofl at "give business more opportunities". Seriously? They've been doing perfectly fine; the provlem is they give dividends to their  shareholders before their workers.
yeah a lot has been written on how buybacks have worsened inequality

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/09/23/nequality-end-buybacks-harvard-business-review.html
http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/05/investing/stock-buybacks-inequality-tax-law/index.html
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2018, 01:14:35 AM »

On a serious note (meaning I'm not playing Tankie at the moment), reading through this thread really shows that movement conservative-types are just as empathy-deficient and fundamentally bad as white nationalists/the "alt-right", even if they hide under the veil of Respectability.

Gosh... what's the point of trying to engage in thoughtful debate on this forum? Whether I had responded with "Yeah, the poor suck and deserve to die" or responded the way I actually did (trying to show how I think conservative solutions can actually help the poor) the response from you, obviously, would have been the same.

The left doesn't have a monopoly on kindness and empathy, and to cast me and other conservatives in the same lot as white nationalists is truly reprehensible. I mean honestly, why are you even here? Is it to engage in debate or simply to engage in self-righteous posturing?
well some of what you posted seems to imply significantly more government investment than a lot of what we've seen out of the republican party. also i'd imagine a lot of this is just because of how bitter certain people are here. i know jedi is some ex republican. idk that much on his background otherwise
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