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  In your mind, which concept is more important? (search mode)
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Question: Assuming the two ever directly conflict, which of the two is more important to you/takes precedent?
#1
Capitalism (D)
 
#2
Democracy (D)
 
#3
Capitalism (R)
 
#4
Democracy (R)
 
#5
Capitalism (L)
 
#6
Democracy (L)
 
#7
Capitalism (I/O)
 
#8
Democracy (I/O)
 
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Total Voters: 58

Author Topic: In your mind, which concept is more important?  (Read 2000 times)
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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« on: October 11, 2012, 12:35:07 PM »

Capitalism is just a more efficient form of democracy.
no. democracy is inherently socialistic because it implies that the state can tax, regulate and redistribute according to the will of the majority. it might be constrained by constitutions or charters but that's the ultimate underlying tendency.
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Ghost_white
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 08:55:38 AM »

i suppose democracy might be useful at times. what iceland did in terms of their recent revolution was admittedly, a good case of democracy in action. on the whole though mass 'democracy' is undesirable in my view. it presumes equality as a virtue, as an end in itself. it does not attempt to elevate the people or encourage them to work towards the nation. at best it panders to their desires. at worst the pretense of 'democracy' gives people a false sense of choice and value.

again as i've said i want a kind of traditionalist model for society.basically a benign aristocracy of sorts based around service to community and achievement. soldiers could get several 'votes' for example. i believe in 'patriarchal social conservatism' in general and strong nationalism. i view these values as incompatible with modern central banking, globalization and neoliberalism in general. capitalism by its nature commodifies people. it ignores values like loyalty to your people, family or much of anything else. it encourages the breakdown of borders and culture in pursuit of cheap labor and profit at all costs. it encourages vices like usury and gluttony, appealing to our most base impulses through advertising and 'public relations.'

unsurprisingly then i support heavy state intervention in the sense of tariffs, nationalization of certain industries (e.g. oil, healthcare, finance) and a ban on at least certain advertising (e.g. child marketing). such things can make nations strong, proud, and independent in my view. welfare is necessary, if not for moral reasons then pragmatic ones as gross disparities in opportunity breed resentment and the threat of marxism or worse taking root. with that said the welfare state's negative effects need to be mitigated in certain ways so as not to make the nation too soft and 'entitled.' perhaps national service coupled with citizens dividend - everyone gets money but those that work still make more - would help.
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