Anyone else on here both solidly on the left and anti-abortion?

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I never understood the rape/incest exception, because

(1) you don't allow the child to get aborted because of something the father did (unless you don't oppose abortion in the first place, of course), and
(2) there's always the possibility of abuse (which is what Link is talking about). If a woman is going to kill her baby (already a despicable thing to do), what's to stop her from lying about rape? Anyone can say I got raped and no one will bother to check (certainly not the abortion clinic!)

Yeah, obviously what's going through her mind the day after is that she wants to kill her baby.

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I never understood the rape/incest exception, because

(1) you don't allow the child to get aborted because of something the father did (unless you don't oppose abortion in the first place, of course), and
(2) there's always the possibility of abuse (which is what Link is talking about). If a woman is going to kill her baby (already a despicable thing to do), what's to stop her from lying about rape? Anyone can say I got raped and no one will bother to check (certainly not the abortion clinic!)

This post is why men should not make decisions on women's bodies.

Obviously not all of us on the "wrong side" are uh.. yeah. Let's just say I like to think most of us pro-lifers (that aren't preparing some special cocktails outside the clinic) still have a little more gray in our thinking.

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Isn't it more of an ethical position (especially with reference to that absolutely absurd multi-dimensional civil war within English language political philosophy in the 1980s; right at the point at which right-wing governments and postmodernism were - in a kind of bizarre and accidental way - combining to undercut everything most participants stood for. Well done guys!) than owt else? Certainly it's not an ideology.

There certainly is an ethical strain of communitarianism, but there is also a communitarianism that I would definitely say is a political ideology, though they aren't always the same. How are you defining ideology here?

By how you fall on a checklist of issues, obviously.

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Isn't it more of an ethical position (especially with reference to that absolutely absurd multi-dimensional civil war within English language political philosophy in the 1980s; right at the point at which right-wing governments and postmodernism were - in a kind of bizarre and accidental way - combining to undercut everything most participants stood for. Well done guys!) than owt else? Certainly it's not an ideology.

There certainly is an ethical strain of communitarianism, but there is also a communitarianism that I would definitely say is a political ideology, though they aren't always the same. How are you defining ideology here?

By how you fall on a checklist of issues, obviously.

I think I detect sarcasm, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

That was more bait for the coal miner, but it's been brought up ad nausem before. Worldview runs much, much deeper than NARAL or NRA litmus tests. If anything, that's a (literally) backward way of viewing things. I find that to be symptomatic of how completely inane and manufactured our politics really are in this country. Which might explain the incoherence of modern "conservatives" or why we have so little in the way of open socialism (or relevant libertarianism, for that matter - no more so looking at that nolan chart abomination) in this country too since such ideologies make the political particularly personal.

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If you're pro-life, but don't support comprehensive sex-education - you're an utter hypocrite.

What does that have to do with anything? I mean, I'm pro life and support distributing condoms in public schools in part because of that but I wouldn't say either logically follows...