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Foucaulf
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« on: December 10, 2013, 06:56:05 PM »

I've actually clicked on this thread a few times now, trying to figure out what you're saying. It's not working.

It should not be true that all politics is cognitive bias; if the government throws me out of my house, I'll protest against it not due to a psychological fault. So maybe you're saying political strategy employs cognitive bias... then what does that have to do with the OP?

We can say both are wrong if the subject of dispute is information, but it's harder to say if it's a moral principle. If we say one is "right" and the other is "wrong" we're assuming the principle has been established, which is circular. Either we try to dismiss the other based on "truth," or we appeal to emotions. Am I getting closer?
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Foucaulf
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 07:40:43 AM »


I think Progressive Realist is talking about the fact that politics (and most things anyway) are subjective and that they lack an objective truth (since it's all a matter of perception).

This is good! Leads the way to interesting stuff.
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This seems like it's true, but quickly dovetails into meta-ethics. What do we mean when we say "good" - an extremely hard question in which differing answers create completely different moral worlds. And the claim "there is no 'bad' side" is a very modern reaction to a Platonism that supposes the necessity of a good "substance".

Most modern research in ethics focus on the creation of value through judgement, calculation and rule-making. I'm thinking of Moore here (though I never read him, so don't quote me on anything!) The idea is that moral principles are distinct from the way of the world, so-called "naturalism". In this view, there is a good and a bad, but they have no relation to any non-moral judgement.
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To apply that above thinking to this passage: It can be true that politics is irrational and highly subjective. That has no bearing on whether a certain policy is right - and certainly no reason for us to stop arguing about its rightness.
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But now we remember that politics is not purely moral. A politician can have epistemic - concerning knowledge - duties to his constituents; transparency, accountability, frequent communication, whatever. To be more cynical, a politician is elected to represent interests. Even in this case we can judge whether that politician is representing those interests accurately.

How do we respond to a side that "creates their own truth"? The easy way may be to argue based on moral principle, but that is sketchy - as I discussed above. And, since politics has both moral and material dimensions, we can also argue from this different material angle. In this case the politician is "bad" for a betrayal of his role. Notice that this is now a two-step procedure. First we argue from observation, then connect that with morality.
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To connect this passage with what I've said, there is a moral intuition against an "inconsistent role" played by the politician. Here's a possible origin for this; we elect politicians based on their campaign behaviour, but cannot control how they act afterwards. Institutions can be designed to keep them to account (this is the heart of the principal-agent problem). But how can we keep them to account when we're not the ones designing them? The only way is to establish a morality against inconsistency to guarantee vigilance against those elected.


I realize I've complicated the discussion enormously, but this is great; we're not really talking about cognitive bias but political philosophy. Psychology bores me to death; philosophy the very opposite.
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Foucaulf
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 08:30:17 PM »

Since I have a vested interest in this thread now, I should simplify my discourse a little.

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Politics is not right or wrong, but varying degress of right and wrong, as you said. And even calling it right or wrong at all is pretty bold considering politics is about your personal opinion and views.

Why do we call politics "varying degrees of right and wrong"? Few compete a scientific theory with another and say "they can't be both correct" or "they must be only varying degrees of wrong". You can't use the former much with the social sciences, but the latter still applies. What is it about political statements that inspire an ambiguous notion of wrongness that would be unacceptable in most academic discourse?

And a statement like "politics is about your personal opinion and views" is just odd. Should we delete every post in the demographics board or something?

I've tried to look for a Crooked Timber post that argues modern theories of politics abstract away the idea of unifying ideas, to create what I would call inherently absurd discourse. This is where political philosophy can help - to build a framework around the confusion so we say the right things about the right people. First step is to distinguish what's a "good" political statement - which I tried to do.

I'll get to Lumine's post once I catch up on sleep. I will say for now that, when acting as a philosopher, I am going to want objective truth. I'm not looking for a utopia as I am faithful for better understanding. People are a lot more interested in the second choice you listed in the last paragraph - and so am I.
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