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Snowstalker Mk. II
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« on: May 06, 2014, 02:07:56 PM »

The Second Amendment was designed as a safeguard against hypothetical tyranny and is irrelevant to this case of criminal homicide. This man is charged with having made a fatal mistake and should be tried for it in court.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 04:22:18 PM »

With guns, I would be against banning them entirely.  But, I would require a license and registration as well as a legitimate reason to own a gun, whether it's working as a law enforcement officer or hunting.

A government by and for the 1% which violates human rights at home and abroad isn't reason enough?
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 04:50:41 PM »

With guns, I would be against banning them entirely.  But, I would require a license and registration as well as a legitimate reason to own a gun, whether it's working as a law enforcement officer or hunting.

A government by and for the 1% which violates human rights at home and abroad isn't reason enough?

Explain how people are going to fix that with guns.

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 05:15:18 PM »

I suppose it's cute that you think that.

But, putting aside the desirability of an armed revolution, it's not realistic as a public policy.  I can't imagine explaining that to a mother who lost her son to random gun violence.

Regardless of your hackneyed emotional appeals and even discarding my revolutionary socialism for a moment, to blame the gun rather than the shooter represents the worst of the paternalistic white liberal attitude of "solving" a problem with a solution that barely scratches the surface and has negative consequences of its own.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 05:52:11 AM »

I suppose it's cute that you think that.

But, putting aside the desirability of an armed revolution, it's not realistic as a public policy.  I can't imagine explaining that to a mother who lost her son to random gun violence.

Regardless of your hackneyed emotional appeals and even discarding my revolutionary socialism for a moment, to blame the gun rather than the shooter represents the worst of the paternalistic white liberal attitude of "solving" a problem with a solution that barely scratches the surface and has negative consequences of its own.

You can't be a shooter if you don't have a gun.  I don't understand how that can escape you. 

So, I'm paternalistic for not taking into account the poor black people who like gun shot wounds and being murdered?  I think I'm safe in thinking that nobody likes being shot.  And, honestly, I'd rather be paternalistic than indifferent to the loss of human life. 

You know that the gun control movement started with white Southern racists in the 1960's who were afraid of blacks, right?
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 09:02:45 AM »

The original point of gun control was for privileged southern white conservatives to feel "safe" from the scary black people; ergo, an armed proletariat is a threat to the powers that be and said powers recognize that. Why do you think the ultimate paternalistic plutocrat, Michael Bloomberg, is the biggest advocate of gun control?

The world's insane while you drink champagne
And I'm living in black reign
You try to ban the A.K.
I got ten of them stashed
With a case of hand grenades
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Snowstalker Mk. II
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2014, 09:22:53 AM »

The original point of gun control was for privileged southern white conservatives to feel "safe" from the scary black people; ergo, an armed proletariat is a threat to the powers that be and said powers recognize that. Why do you think the ultimate paternalistic plutocrat, Michael Bloomberg, is the biggest advocate of gun control?

The world's insane while you drink champagne
And I'm living in black reign
You try to ban the A.K.
I got ten of them stashed
With a case of hand grenades


People oppose gun control because they want guns to protect themselves from scary black people.  That's the situation right now in America.

In reality, black people suffer from gun violence more than anyone and largely support gun control.  It's easy for suburban white people to ignore the suffering of black people because nobody seems to care if black kids get shot. 

Then why not fight the conditions that draw people into crime? An increased minimum wage, increased unionization, more and better public education funding, and a universal basic income will do far more than gun control to reduce social ills.
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Snowstalker Mk. II
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Posts: 20,414
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Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 09:45:19 AM »

The original point of gun control was for privileged southern white conservatives to feel "safe" from the scary black people; ergo, an armed proletariat is a threat to the powers that be and said powers recognize that. Why do you think the ultimate paternalistic plutocrat, Michael Bloomberg, is the biggest advocate of gun control?

The world's insane while you drink champagne
And I'm living in black reign
You try to ban the A.K.
I got ten of them stashed
With a case of hand grenades


People oppose gun control because they want guns to protect themselves from scary black people.  That's the situation right now in America.

In reality, black people suffer from gun violence more than anyone and largely support gun control.  It's easy for suburban white people to ignore the suffering of black people because nobody seems to care if black kids get shot. 

Then why not fight the conditions that draw people into crime? An increased minimum wage, increased unionization, more and better public education funding, and a universal basic income will do far more than gun control to reduce social ills.

Why not do all of the above? 

Because the ruling class doesn't want that, and it's easier to implement and sell a solution like gun control that does little to solve the root issues that draw people to a life of crime and disarms the proletariat as our personal freedoms continually erode.
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