Nancy Mace makes her fiance wait to have sex at prayer breakfast so she can meet Tim Scott first

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The idea that "morality" peaked at any given time, 2004 or otherwise, is complete nonsense, although it's certainly true that there are discernible troughs in certain kinds of moral virtues (the 1930s and early 1940s, for instance, were definitely a time in which the milk of human kindness flowed sluggishly when it came to not perpetrating genocidal wars of choice, the late 1970s a time when it flowed sluggishly in terms of avoiding full-bore sexual dissipation). I don't particularly think Nancy Mace should be having premarital sex, I don't particularly want to know whether or not she is, and I don't particularly care that she is. (Normal, insane)

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The idea that "morality" peaked at any given time, 2004 or otherwise, is complete nonsense, although it's certainly true that there are discernible troughs in certain kinds of moral virtues (the 1930s and early 1940s, for instance, were definitely a time in which the milk of human kindness flowed sluggishly when it came to not perpetrating genocidal wars of choice, the late 1970s a time when it flowed sluggishly in terms of avoiding full-bore sexual dissolution). I don't particularly think Nancy Mace should be having premarital sex, I don't particularly want to know whether or not she is, and I don't particularly care that she is. (Normal, insane)

It should be pointed out that Blue States ironically, have lower birthrates of unwed mothers compared to Red states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/unmarried/unmarried.htm

Teen Birth Rates are also lower in Blue States, than red states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm

For all the talk about morality, and Christian Values, it seems as if the Blue States ( probably thanks to the more Puritan values of the North east ironically ) got it more than the red states ever did.

I don't know that I think morality and Christian values have much to do with birth rates of unwed mothers one way or another, since there are a lot of distinct moral choices that go into the process of having a baby.

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Just to clarify yes, religion is bad. But Jesus Christ is good.

It's like a church message series title put it: "Exchanging the Bad News of Religion for the Good News for Jesus Christ"

This is a BS talking point that nobody outside the Evangelical bubble takes seriously.

Wouldn't a church being essentially All Liberal All The Time make it by definition not part of the "Evangelical bubble"?

No it would not. The messaging you're describing is a dead giveaway for Evangelical theology, which in this context is, or should be, upstream from politics.

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Let me just fill in the rest of the topics here so that we don't miss any topics of argument:

Transgender

Lil Nas X

Christ Myth Theory

The 2016 Primary

Abortion

Emo

Elon Musk

Ron DeSantis

Masks

Drag Queen Story Hour

Gender Ideology

Reverse Racism

Affirmative Action

Most of these are always-already present by implication within what's already been discussed, of course.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The idea that "morality" peaked at any given time, 2004 or otherwise, is complete nonsense, although it's certainly true that there are discernible troughs in certain kinds of moral virtues (the 1930s and early 1940s, for instance, were definitely a time in which the milk of human kindness flowed sluggishly when it came to not perpetrating genocidal wars of choice, the late 1970s a time when it flowed sluggishly in terms of avoiding full-bore sexual dissolution). I don't particularly think Nancy Mace should be having premarital sex, I don't particularly want to know whether or not she is, and I don't particularly care that she is. (Normal, insane)

It should be pointed out that Blue States ironically, have lower birthrates of unwed mothers compared to Red states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/unmarried/unmarried.htm

Teen Birth Rates are also lower in Blue States, than red states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm

For all the talk about morality, and Christian Values, it seems as if the Blue States ( probably thanks to the more Puritan values of the North east ironically ) got it more than the red states ever did.

I don't know that I think morality and Christian values have much to do with birth rates of unwed mothers one way or another, since there are a lot of distinct moral choices that go into the process of having a baby.

There's a book somewhere, I forgot what it was called that talked about how the " Puritian " values in the Northern Colonies, and ( essentially the West ), in the early Days of the American colonies, influenced American moral life there, even as religion itself declined.


While, the South used to be the most irreligious place out of the 13 colonies, but adopted Christianity as a status symbol, and as a identity, to justify slaves.

That's why in the early days, the " Puritian " culture would shun those who had babies before marriage, while the Southern Culture didn't care.

There, now I remember. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed

And here's an overview of the book. http://cameronblevins.org/cblevins/Quals/BookSummaries/Fischer_AlbionsSeed.html

" 1. Massachusetts stemmed from the Great Migration of English Puritans in 1630s, who were of middling and upper-middling means from the east of England ("East Anglian"), under an elite of Puritan ministers. This folkway was marked by relative homogeneity, stable families, older demographics, and a more balanced sex ratio. Fischer argues that it was essentially a conservative folkway that attempted to strive backwards for lost piety and had harsh institutional mechanisms for control. Finally, it was marked by several different conceptions of freedom, including spiritual freedom to focus on God, a collective liberty that restrained individuals, and more contemporary notion of liberty of protecting people from basic wants.

2. Tidewater Virginia stemmed from the Royalist Cavaliers, who were loyal to the crown during the English Civil War in the 1640s and came from Southwest England (embodied by Governor William Berkeley). These elites were actively recruited and established a hegemonic stranglehold on the region, lording over a stratified society in which 75% were poor indentured servants. They followed the Anglican church and cherished their English cultural inheritance. They ordered their society in an extremely hierarchical manner following the Anglican church and institutionally deeply tied to the crown and systems of rank and status. They crafted an ideology of "hegemonic liberty," the power to rule over others and where liberties were not universal but divvied up according to rank.

3. Delaware Valley stemmed from Quakers from northern England counties, whose ideological framework laid the ground for structuring one of the most pluralistic societies in the region. It was a culture that valued commerce and industry, and that ordered society according to keeping the peace between people rather trying to enforce unity or hierarchy. Political parties emerged fairly early on and centered on ethnic divisions. Finally, freedom centered on reciprocal (golden rule) liberty, religious liberty, and growing antislavery sentiment.

4. The Southern Backcountry stemmed from England's northern borderlands of Ireland, northern England, and southern Scotland. It was a mixed, if largely impoverished group, led by the "Ascendancy" social class of English borderlands. Fischer argues that the "Scotch-Irish" label is a misnomer, and was much more mixed. Society was structured around a culture of retaliation and retribution, and politics that were marked by improvisation and personal leadership ("men of influence") like the future Andrew Jackson. Finally, its conception of freedom revolved around "natural liberty" that stressed personal autonomy from institutions"


Democrats are more the bolded part, despite the decline in religiosity.

My first post responding to this got nuked by another mod (understandably given what else I responded to in it) so I'll repost what I said in that one:

I understand the argument you're making here, but I'm not convinced "shunning unwed mothers" is actually moral or Christian. I think it's part of a moral, Christian superstructure over a deeply hypocritical and judgmental base. The Puritans did have a lot of virtues that have contributed to my home region being the wonderful place it is, but sincere down-home piety was not actually one of them.

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Also: Attractive female politician makes comment about sex, gets five pages of replies within six hours. Never change, Atlas.

Hilariously, most of the discussion that made this thread 6 pages long is more about the always very insightful "Do God or the Spaghetti Monster exist?" question and less about Nancy Mace "quickie before breakfast".

A fact that, pace OSR, is very American-society-in-2004.

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What a.....mess of a thread. Also for some reason people still choose to relitigate the Iraq War after 20 years, what is even the point?

Have you ever brought up Southeast Asia around a Baby Boomer?