Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

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Lay off the personal insults, bilaps. If you can't make your point without them, you probably shouldn't be trying to make it at all.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Lay off the personal insults, bilaps. If you can't make your point without them, you probably shouldn't be trying to make it at all.

Nobody has ever been insulted more on this board like me on this thread.

That wouldn't give you license to insult others even if it were true, which it isn't. It used to be the Wild West here.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Lay off the personal insults, bilaps. If you can't make your point without them, you probably shouldn't be trying to make it at all.

Nobody has ever been insulted more on this board like me on this thread.

That wouldn't give you license to insult others even if it were true, which it isn't. It used to be the Wild West here.

I have been insulted today like 5 times in this thread and you don't feel the need to write anything to those people, you single out me. Bias

You're being insulted for your views. We do that all the time here. You're not responding in kind.

Let me provide an example of the kind of insult towards Horus, Hindsight, et al that would pass muster. Feel free to copy and paste this the next time you're tempted to resort to irrelevant snarl terms. Feel free also to word it more harshly, but this is the kind of substantive content we're talking about:

"[Insert poster] is a bleeding heart who takes one-dimensional Ukrainian victimhood narratives at face value and refuses to recognize that there might be brutality on their side of this war. [Insert poster] is a naive chump parroting Western talking points, and has the nerve to accuse me of doing the same without any self-reflection. [Insert poster] has a reflexive dislike for anything smacking of criticism of American geopolitical hegemony, in a way that comes across as racist."

I don't agree with any of this, but it's within the bounds of discussion on this forum and we have posters who say this sort of thing all the time without getting the kinds of warnings I'm giving you right now. Do you understand the distinction I'm making?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Lay off the personal insults, bilaps. If you can't make your point without them, you probably shouldn't be trying to make it at all.

Nobody has ever been insulted more on this board like me on this thread.

That wouldn't give you license to insult others even if it were true, which it isn't. It used to be the Wild West here.

I have been insulted today like 5 times in this thread and you don't feel the need to write anything to those people, you single out me. Bias

You're being insulted for your views. We do that all the time here. You're not responding in kind.

Let me provide an example of the kind of insult towards Horus, Hindsight, et al that would pass muster. Feel free to copy and paste this the next time you're tempted to resort to irrelevant snarl terms. Feel free also to word it more harshly, but this is the kind of substantive content we're talking about:

"[Insert poster] is a bleeding heart who takes one-dimensional Ukrainian victimhood narratives at face value and refuses to recognize that there might be brutality on their side of this war. [Insert poster] is a naive chump parroting Western talking points, and has the nerve to accuse me of doing the same without any self-reflection. [Insert poster] has a reflexive dislike for anything smacking of criticism of American geopolitical hegemony, in a way that comes across as racist."

I don't agree with any of this, but it's within the bounds of discussion on this forum and we have posters who say this sort of thing all the time without getting the kinds of warnings I'm giving you right now. Do you understand the distinction I'm making?

Dude put that away before red velvet sees it or he’ll never stop using it 

Exactly who I was thinking of. And if he decides to use this as a copypasta instead of making a new effortpost each time it'll be a courtesy to both him (more intellectual and emotional energy to spend living his life) and the rest of the forum (shorter than what he usually tends to write).

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Lay off the personal insults, bilaps. If you can't make your point without them, you probably shouldn't be trying to make it at all.

Nobody has ever been insulted more on this board like me on this thread.

That wouldn't give you license to insult others even if it were true, which it isn't. It used to be the Wild West here.

I have been insulted today like 5 times in this thread and you don't feel the need to write anything to those people, you single out me. Bias

You're being insulted for your views. We do that all the time here. You're not responding in kind.

Let me provide an example of the kind of insult towards Horus, Hindsight, et al that would pass muster. Feel free to copy and paste this the next time you're tempted to resort to irrelevant snarl terms. Feel free also to word it more harshly, but this is the kind of substantive content we're talking about:

"[Insert poster] is a bleeding heart who takes one-dimensional Ukrainian victimhood narratives at face value and refuses to recognize that there might be brutality on their side of this war. [Insert poster] is a naive chump parroting Western talking points, and has the nerve to accuse me of doing the same without any self-reflection. [Insert poster] has a reflexive dislike for anything smacking of criticism of American geopolitical hegemony, in a way that comes across as racist."

I don't agree with any of this, but it's within the bounds of discussion on this forum and we have posters who say this sort of thing all the time without getting the kinds of warnings I'm giving you right now. Do you understand the distinction I'm making?

Oh, I understand, I just think it's stupid. Resident vatnik or a dumbass really should make no difference, they are both personal insults which are used as a result of someone's writing and opinions on this thread. It's not like I know Hindsight personally so I couldn't be able to lob a personal insult to him which has to do with anything other than a post he writes on this board. It's not like I insulted him personally for a thing he does in real life or his family or anything, I just called him dumbass because of his views, just as he did to me.

Also, you have recommended a post from user claiming I'm a paid Russian bot while you have the ability to look at my forum history since I joined board, that's just plain stupid.

I recommended it because I think you need to make peace with this accusation and develop a thicker skin about it if you're going to maintain this posting style, not because I think it's literally true.

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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1757497314749407328

When we say "coke" do we mean a form of coal, cocaine, or Coca Cola?

Coal. This plant used to be the largest producer of it in Ukraine.

Again, you are not intentionally or unintentionally reading the posts which yourself wrote or what I wrote in response. You're saying 1000s of children, I see here 31 child mentioned for example.

So, no, I have never denied claims of war crimes being committed by either side in almost any conflict in human history. You just don't want to accept that much of it is made up war propaganda. And that Ukrainians have committed crimes as well. It's pointless really.

I have seen with my own eyes Russian troops execute surrendering Ukrainian soldiers, I have seen the images of returned Ukrainian pows who look like Holocaust survivors, I saw the images of Bucha. Putin got indicted for the kidnapping of thousands of kids in the ICC whose evidence is documented. Take your “war propaganda” and “both sides” crap and stick it

You should be familiar with war propaganda, it's just like Gering did in ww2, should know that being nazi simp.

Stop calling other posters Nazi simps.

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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1757497314749407328

When we say "coke" do we mean a form of coal, cocaine, or Coca Cola?

Coal. This plant used to be the largest producer of it in Ukraine.

Again, you are not intentionally or unintentionally reading the posts which yourself wrote or what I wrote in response. You're saying 1000s of children, I see here 31 child mentioned for example.

So, no, I have never denied claims of war crimes being committed by either side in almost any conflict in human history. You just don't want to accept that much of it is made up war propaganda. And that Ukrainians have committed crimes as well. It's pointless really.

I have seen with my own eyes Russian troops execute surrendering Ukrainian soldiers, I have seen the images of returned Ukrainian pows who look like Holocaust survivors, I saw the images of Bucha. Putin got indicted for the kidnapping of thousands of kids in the ICC whose evidence is documented. Take your “war propaganda” and “both sides” crap and stick it

You should be familiar with war propaganda, it's just like Gering did in ww2, should know that being nazi simp.

Stop calling other posters Nazi simps.

Stop being biased, so many insults are hurled at my way, I'm just responding in kind. So ban me or stfu. I will not be silenced by your authoritarian methods.

Banning you would be significantly more authoritarian than telling you to stop calling other posters Nazi simps, you realize.

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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1755227553244049834

Probably because very few people who are not prisoners forced to are actually Russian. When they run out of their slave populations east of the urals and have to start digging in solely to “Russian” men that number will crater fast. Russia is doing its best to get to that point by spending men like a drunk person in Vegas.

This is part of it, and so is the fact that this is a dictatorship with a controlled information ecosystem, but also, there are genuinely remarkably unsavory attitudes in Russia towards neighboring countries and towards Russia's own past, just as there are, say, remarkably unsavory attitudes in India towards religious minorities and women, or in the United States towards anything that increases the price of gasoline. Sometimes aspects of a country's culture are just bad, and are so deeply ingrained that even direct negative experience doesn't necessarily make people from that country abandon them.

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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1755227553244049834

Probably because very few people who are not prisoners forced to are actually Russian. When they run out of their slave populations east of the urals and have to start digging in solely to “Russian” men that number will crater fast. Russia is doing its best to get to that point by spending men like a drunk person in Vegas.

This is part of it, and so is the fact that this is a dictatorship with a controlled information ecosystem, but also, there are genuinely remarkably unsavory attitudes in Russia towards neighboring countries and towards Russia's own past, just as there are, say, remarkably unsavory attitudes in India towards religious minorities and women, or in the United States towards anything that increases the price of gasoline. Sometimes aspects of a country's culture are just bad, and are so deeply ingrained that even direct negative experience doesn't necessarily make people from that country abandon them.

Remarkably bigoted and ignorant post, especially for a mod. Are you seriously comparing issues towards women/religious minorities/wars of conquest towards gas prices? Why don't you use the litany of issues american whites have caused such as slavery/genocide of natives/etc???

Now onto russia, this alleged acceptance of conquest of other nations. Why do you trust this polling? Which nation has accepted the 'western' liberal version of its history? You believe all this because it suits your biases i bet. You've fallen again for the cold war rhetoric.

Onto india, are there systemic issues towards women ranging from infanticide to child marriage etc, yes! But are there not such issues in america? Why does america struggle to push women into STEM fields while russia/india/china do not? When you say religious minorities, do you mean jains or parsis or sikhs or buddhits? No you mean muslims of course, please point to systemic oppression of indian muslims? Where else hundreds of millions of people get a seperate civil code because of relgion, how about pakistan, where are their relgiious minorities.

you truly must expand your world view beyond typical boston brahmin white liberal saviour complex

I'm serious about the gas prices thing. It's quite literally cooking the planet. I deliberately avoided "gimme" examples, especially because I am talking about attitudes, not policies.

I don't think I'm accusing anyone of anything uniquely awful here, I really don't. All countries have their problems.

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Cushy but still important given that the UK has generally been the strongest voice for continued/additional support for Ukraine in the broader North American/Western European space. The French Resistance and Polish Underground State guys in WWII London definitely had it easier than did their compatriots back home, but they weren't just sitting around eating crumpets.

But no, it's not surprising that the politician took a huge hit from the power struggle with the general.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1895056/donald-trump-effigy-burned-ukraine-twitter

 "Ukrainian soldiers burn Donald Trump effigy and call him a 'traitor' in shocking video"

Sounds like another chapter in Ukraine genius foreign policy hedging strategy. 

Overworked jarheads are supposed to think and act like diplomats now? Or is it only if they're fighting for countries whose conquest and ethnic cleansing you're rooting for?

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I'd love to hear an explanation for why Blinken, a well-known hobbyist guitarist who I think has some songs on Bandcamp or Soundcloud or something, playing a guitar and singing a Neil Young song in Kyiv is supposed to be "cringe" from a perspective that does not presuppose that America Bad, Ukraine Bad, Russia Bastion of Freedom.

It's fascinating the gulf that's emerging between the increasingly dire land war and the constant embarrassments that Russia is still suffering aerially and navally. There's no Alfred Thayer Mahan-approved explanation for this!