Nazi prison guard living in Tennessee gets deported

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/20/us/nazi-guard-deported-trnd/index.html

It’s a travesty that this goosestepper evaded justice for so long. If he lived in my neighborhood, it would’ve been a different story.

https://www.memphisflyer.com/NewsBlog/archives/2020/12/11/german-prosecutors-drop-case-against-former-nazi-guard

The man is 95 years old now.  He was 19 when he served in the SS in a Concentration Camp.  His time at this job was short and he was not part of the killing, nor did he witness any killing.  These are the findings of a German Court.

"During interrogations in the U.S., the accused admitted that he had guarded prisoners in the Meppen area for several weeks. He did not observe any mistreatment of prisoners. He was not aware of any deaths among the prisoners. He was not used to guard an evacuation march. Additional information is not to be expected when the accused is questioned in Germany."

If the man had been found to have actively participated in murders I'd be less sympathetic, but he was not found to have done so.  He was 19 years old when this happened, and asking for a transfer in the outfit he was with isn't quite like asking the US Army for a reassignment.  It also doesn't mean you'd get one.  He was 19 years old and was only in this possession short term.

I do not know what this man was like in life.  I don't know what he did while in America.  Perhaps this is a just outcome, but I can't square this deporation with the action Biden has taken in halting other deportations that will keep MS-13 gang members (who are committing crimes in the United States in the here and now) from being deported.  This man is 95 years old, he was acquitted of War Crimes in a Court, and he was 19 at the time.  He's not a hero.  But he was a person doing what HE needed to do to keep himself alive in a situation that no 19 year old person should be in.

I will say this:  If this man is to be deported, so be it.  But construction on The Wall needs to be restarted and those who are in INS custody that have so been designated ought to be deported as quickly as possible.  I'll change my mind if you can show me that his role was bigger than what is documented here.  But you haven't done so to date.

The liberals here don't care. They justified the brutal, murderous ethnic cleansing of Prussians when I brought it up a few days ago. You think they'd give this guy a fair assessment?

Did people justify the postwar deportations of Eastern European Germans, or did they just reject an attempt to draw a moral equivalency between them and the Holocaust? I wasn't privy to the conversation you're referring to, and there's a big difference between those two lines of argument that I frankly don't feel inclined to take a Trump supporter's word for it on.

The concept of “justice” is no more than man’s illusion of being the arbiter of morality.

Man has been debating the meaning of justice for many years, but to my knowledge only the hardest of materialists have denied its existence altogether. Fundamentally, there is an aspect of justice that is rendering until someone what they are due. Without justice as a real moral principle, guilt and innocence do not matter, nor do credit and debit. The concept of owing anything to anyone would be, at best, a convenient moral fiction agreed to by social contract insofar as it increases utility. Retribution for sin, if such exists at all, would be naught but an arbitrary whim; the answer to the Problem of Evil would be that there is no such thing as good or evil in any real sense. Christianity, along with most other religions would make no sense.

It is not the concept of justice that gives man the illusion of being an arbiter of morality, but its abolition that does, by rendering guilt or innocence irrelevant.

Yes; even more disturbing than TheReckoning's post here is the fact that Fuzzy, one of the most vocally Christian posters on the forum, recommended it.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I don't think they realize why that post was so misguided considering their subsequent posts appear to argue he doesn't deserve to be deported (i.e. it's not a matter of hypocrisy but misunderstanding).

I'm curious whether you think the ban on deportations in Veritatis Splendor would preclude us from deporting this man, as he does not appear to be any kind of threat to the public at this stage of life. I believe you have generally taken a very hard line on its interpretation previously?

I think that's the fairly obvious outcome of straightforwardly applying that teaching, yes. I don't like that fact at all, but, well, there are a lot of moral positions I hold on principle that have applications that I don't like. If there weren't such a(n in my reading) clear Catholic teaching against deportation, obviously former concentration camp guards, regardless of their stage in life, would be at the top of the list to be kicked out.

What bothers me about the way the right-wing posters in this thread (present interlocutor excepted) have been talking about this is that, far from objecting to deportation on principle, they're, as you say, calling into question whether a former concentration camp guard deserves it--or even whether he deserves it more or less than common or garden Central American gangsters! Since these posters largely don't have Nazi sympathies themselves, it's a clear case of ideologized lib-owning tunnel vision brain rot.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So Fuzzy is now treating a freaking Nazis with more sympathies rhetoric then he uses for BLM? JFC 🙄

Fuzzy has written about having a young son. Votes to dismantle democracy and promote authoritarianism will never turn his child black, so why would he worry about their treatment by authority? Fill in the blanks on the rest.

I swear that Fuzzy Bear’s views are somewhat influenced by his ethnicity and background. I can’t be the only here to think that, am I?

I don't think anyone, least of all Fuzzy, disputes that his views would probably be significantly different if his race or socioeconomic status were different.