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Question:  Todd Salzman and Michael Lawler
#1
yes, fully: ordain openly gay and transgender bishops, perform gay and transgender marriages, strike references to LGBT being an practice as sinful from the Catechism
 
#2
a qualified yes: homosexual relations will be accepted by the Church in some form or fashion, but will lack the full 'privileges' offered to heterosexual partnerships
 
#3
no: the Church will hold strong and make little or no alteration to its current policies on LGBT
 
#4
the Roman Catholic Church will split into two or more churches over this issue
 
#5
other (explain)
 
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Total Voters: 57

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« on: April 06, 2015, 01:19:12 AM »

I was going to say 'define 'accept'' but I see you, or somebody you appear to be citing, already did that. The Church has no pressing incentive, from its own perspective, for option 1, especially since most people who would leave the Church over this would also leave over any of a number of other things. Option 3 is untenable in some parts of the world but completely plausible in others. Option 4 is always conceivable but this would be an unbelievably embarrassing thing to split over so I hope and pray it doesn't happen. I'm going to say option 2, but ad hoc and de facto rather than through formal alterations of doctrine--on paper, probably option 3. I could see (and hope for) some sort of official distancing from certain specific formulations in On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons and other such documents, but that's about it.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2015, 03:21:32 AM »

Number 2 is the most likely, though likely with the official line that celibacy is the goal in such relationships and the understanding in the First World that no one's going to take their Padre's advice seriously on it.

This is sort of what I was getting at.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2015, 04:44:02 PM »

Most Catholics already support it.

Keeping in mind that this is a top-down worldwide organization, [citation needed].
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 01:39:20 PM »


I wasn't citing, I was writing the poll options all by myself.  what source/author did I remind you of?

I thought you might have gotten the options from Salzman and Lawler because you name them in the title of the poll.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 09:12:41 PM »
« Edited: July 09, 2015, 09:14:19 PM by sex-negative feminist prude »

It always perturbed me that that is such a common understanding of what is meant by 'going after strange flesh' in the context of Jude 1.7. It seems like the distinctly less obvious type of 'strangeness' to get out of that part of the Sodom and Gomorrah story.
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