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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
Nathan
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« on: August 14, 2012, 08:21:18 PM »

Ha ha ha, oh wow.

The European left must adopt the cultural nationalism of the far right, before it's too late.

Please elaborate.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 08:35:10 PM »

The European left must adopt the cultural nationalism of the far right, before it's too late.
Please elaborate.

People care about two things (1) economic populism, and (2) identity politics. The left's advantage historically was (1), while the right's advantage was (2). However, the European right has caved on (1) and embraced the leftist position. Therefore, unless the European left caves on (2) and embraces the rightist position, all is lost for the left.

Just over the past few years? Because the left caved on (1) before that, but you're right that the trend seems to be reversing.

I definitely agree that the left needs to articulate a strong set of cultural signifiers and markers for itself that people can be attached to the way they currently are to this sort of far-right unpleasantness.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 01:28:40 AM »

The European left must adopt the cultural nationalism of the far right, before it's too late.
Please elaborate.

People care about two things (1) economic populism, and (2) identity politics. The left's advantage historically was (1), while the right's advantage was (2). However, the European right has caved on (1) and embraced the leftist position. Therefore, unless the European left caves on (2) and embraces the rightist position, all is lost for the left.

Just over the past few years? Because the left caved on (1) before that, but you're right that the trend seems to be reversing.

I definitely agree that the left needs to articulate a strong set of cultural signifiers and markers for itself that people can be attached to the way they currently are to this sort of far-right unpleasantness.

Yes. Read the Economist article about resentment in Hungary against the 'multis' - basically rich businessmen who are seen as agents of foreigners.

I'd rather the left articulate a different set of cultural signifiers, mind.
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Nathan
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 12:49:45 PM »

The European left must adopt the cultural nationalism of the far right, before it's too late.
Please elaborate.

People care about two things (1) economic populism, and (2) identity politics. The left's advantage historically was (1), while the right's advantage was (2). However, the European right has caved on (1) and embraced the leftist position. Therefore, unless the European left caves on (2) and embraces the rightist position, all is lost for the left.

I largely share your analysis but rather than (1) being won by the Left(?!), it's been forfeit, whilst (2) is alive and well in politics, and allows the Right dominance. My solution would be then for the Left to re-adopt (1) (and to hell with how capital reacts).

Yeah, I've been thinking about this since yesterday and, since when did we 'win' on (1) exactly?
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