When should abortion/pregnancy termination become illegal?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Women's right to choose > baby's right to life

Seeing this explicitly laid out this way is more than a little disturbing even to (normal) people who support legal abortion, you know.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Women's right to choose > baby's right to life

Seeing this explicitly laid out this way is more than a little disturbing even to (normal) people who support legal abortion, you know.

Maybe but I find it a good summary of my position that explains why I disagree with people who support legal abortion only in the first trimester.

You're still explicitly stating that you believe that a certain class of people has the right to absolute power of life and death over another class of people, so that makes me not like you very much, even though I can respect the same position arrived at on different grounds.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Women's right to choose > baby's right to life

Seeing this explicitly laid out this way is more than a little disturbing even to (normal) people who support legal abortion, you know.

Maybe but I find it a good summary of my position that explains why I disagree with people who support legal abortion only in the first trimester.

You're still explicitly stating that you believe that a certain class of people has the right to absolute power of life and death over another class of people, so that makes me not like you very much, even though I can respect the same position arrived at on different grounds.

My belief is that the government should not be forcing people (against their will) to give birth.

As for dislikes, well haters gonna hate

You said 'after birth'. Was one of us maybe misinterpreting something? Because the way I read it you were condoning infanticide.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Either you're misreading the poll options or I am, because that's what I read 'Any point prior to birth' to mean.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Either you're misreading the poll options or I am, because that's what I read 'Any point prior to birth' to mean.

Maybe it was written wrong

I think that's most likely, yeah.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Women's right to choose > baby's right to life

Seeing this explicitly laid out this way is more than a little disturbing even to (normal) people who support legal abortion, you know.

Maybe but I find it a good summary of my position that explains why I disagree with people who support legal abortion only in the first trimester.

You're still explicitly stating that you believe that a certain class of people has the right to absolute power of life and death over another class of people, so that makes me not like you very much, even though I can respect the same position arrived at on different grounds.

Many "pro-choicers" don't consider embryos and fetuses to be people, Nathan. And basically greenforest's statement is typical "pro-choice" logic--"pro-choicers" believe that the rights of women are superior to the rights of their prenatal offspring, at least until some stage of pregnancy.

I know that; it was his initial glib use of the world 'baby' there that disturbed me, since that could also imply a justification of infanticide (although we clarified that he didn't intend to imply that).