Ilhan Omar -‘As Somalis, one day we will go after our missing territories.’

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Any US elected official who uses their position to pursue the interests of their ethnic homelands should be deported. If your main focus is Israel or Cuba or Ireland or Palestine, go live there.

Problem is this isn't fairly enforced. When a politician puts Somalia over America most people are rightfully upset, when politicians put Israel over America we can't say anything or we get called a bigot.

Anyways this is deplorable. She is American. "Our" should only be used in reference to America, not a foreign country.

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American congressman literally funded the IRA.

And even though the IRA was usually in the right, that was awful and they should've been expelled.

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Ethnonationalism, no matter where you come from, is cringe

Ethnonationalism is an absolute scourge on the planet.

Civic nationalism otoh, is more necessary than ever before in America. If we were more civically nationalist there'd be a lot more effort on both sides to pass stuff like universal healthcare.

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One of the most evil members of the U.S. House of Representatives. If she had her way, the world would be consumed by war and death.

99% of Republicans and most Dems are worse.

Progressive but non squad Dems like Raskin, Jacobs and Nikema Williams are just about at the sweet spot for me personally.

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https://twitter.com/AmbRhodaJElmi/status/1751669533171994655/mediaViewer?current...
Longer video. She also talks about how "Somalia is for Somalis only" (Somalia is 45% non-Somalis), which is very discordant from how she talks about her adopted country.

That we had east coast politicians quasi-openly funding Irish terrorist groups for decades was a travesty and should be seen as a national embarrassment. We really got to get better about nipping this crap in the bud before it ever rises to that level again.

(Omar also, in this video, talks about "liberating" "Somali territory" from Kenya. I don't think that would go very well for Somalia!)

Couldn't agree more.

Plus Kenya is doing pretty damn well by African standards and I suspect they'd make short work of the Somalis if they were to ever try something so stupid.

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Any US elected official who uses their position to pursue the interests of their ethnic homelands should be deported. If your main focus is Israel or Cuba or Ireland or Palestine, go live there.

Nice beautiful words but in practice they’re empty as only non-white ethnicities get this backlash treatment. Whites do act the same way Ilhan Omar is acting here when favoring European and NATO relationships for example and the Israeli lobby is the strongest one that defines US foreign policy.

Which makes only fair that people like Ilhan Omar and others with origins from Africa, Asia or Latin America can do the same thing, using their position of power to push one specific group interests that are independent from US exactly like Whites have always done.

Hell, regarding LatAm if the person comes from a place of wealth - see Whiter Conservative Cuban Floridians - they will totally be heard more than poorer Latino immigrants in the border of Texas.

The thing is that White Identitarism is perceived as “how things are” and therefore not identitarism because that’s what US is nowadays while ONLY others Identitarism are perceived as a threat for being “not patriotic”. It’s a bunch of BS.

When people condemn Ilhan Omar for what she’s saying here while actively ignoring the White identitarism they themselves are a part of, what they’re really saying they wish blacks would go back to where they came from and not bring their topics to an America that defines itself geopolitically as white and sees people who look different as slaves that shouldn’t have interests of their own.

That white fear of US gradually darkening and therefore slowly drifting away from White Eurocentric topics as a priority (aka “Great Replacement”) is both completely ridiculous and useless. There’s nothing you people can do about it. Non-white people exist in US and they have a voice and increasingly more power and they will use it to talk about topics that are closer to them exactly like whites have always done.

I literally made the exact criticism you're saying no one made on the very first page of this thread. Not everything is about race.

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Any US elected official who uses their position to pursue the interests of their ethnic homelands should be deported. If your main focus is Israel or Cuba or Ireland or Palestine, go live there.

Problem is this isn't fairly enforced. When a politician puts Somalia over America most people are rightfully upset, when politicians put Israel over America we can't say anything or we get called a bigot.

Yes, this is the key takeaway. Even when the story is about the Somalis, it is imperative that we keep the focus on the eternal perfidy of the agents of Zion

So you're not saying I'm wrong, just that you don't want to talk about it?

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If she considers herself an actual Somali, she should just resign from the congress of the United States.

As an American Muslim myself, I'm really embarrassed our 2 members of congress are Omar and Tlaib. I hope both get successfully primaried and their districts - or any district for that matter - elects Muslim American congressmen/women who are mainstream Dems or progressive Dems like Fetterman or Warren. These 2 do a huge disservice to the party in general.

Well Illhan Omar's recent primary races have been closer. There DOES seem to be a general distate for her in her own district.

I know a few people in her district who said that Keith Ellision was a far better congressman than Omar is. And she just seems to be concerned with the hot button issues, rather than her own district.

If democrats, can find a equally progressive, and yet less infllamtory canidate in the district, then they should run that person against Omar in the primary.

Keith Ellison was a much better rep, agreed. Actually he was kinda great.

Is there anyone in the Minneapolis area who is similar to Omar on most issues but actually puts America first? BRTD would know.

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Israel is one of our top Allies and is also non white .

Israel is "white" or "more white" by comparison to Palestine and surrounding region. In some ways it's a European colonial outpost.

Stop watching TYT , Majority Report or whatever progressive YouTube channel you are watching about this . Viewing the world through the majority = oppressors minority = oppressed lense is completely ridiculous and moronic

That’s the thing though, Whites definitely are NOT the majority of the world in any way whatsoever.

Israeli's are not White so please stop with this bs and also the global south you keep talking about is more pro Israel today than it was 40 years ago thanks to India being far more pro Israel than it used to be.

You always talk about the global south but then never respond when people bring up that the global south is more pro Israel than it used to be.

So you don't think Ashkenazi Jews are white? Plenty of Israelis are Caucasian. Why do you think all Israelis are non-white? Usually it's white supremacists saying stuff like that.

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Israelis and Palestinians look exactly the same so they’re either both white or they’re both non-white.

Close to half of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi who do not really look Middle Eastern at all, maybe Southern European. Israel stans love to talk about Israel's racial diversity but then shoehorn all Israelis into "looking like Palestinians." I don't see how you can have it both ways.

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Once again, Israelis and Palestinians have the same dna. They are brothers. If it wasn't for the hyper religous nationalist crap..

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/#:~:text=Archaeologic%20and%20genetic%20data%20support,but%20not%20in%20genetic%2C%20differences.

The argument that they have different dna, or they're a difference phenotype, comes out of far right anti semitic bull crap. So... stop the bull crap.

Israel is one of our top Allies and is also non white .

Israel is "white" or "more white" by comparison to Palestine and surrounding region. In some ways it's a European colonial outpost.

Stop watching TYT , Majority Report or whatever progressive YouTube channel you are watching about this . Viewing the world through the majority = oppressors minority = oppressed lense is completely ridiculous and moronic

That’s the thing though, Whites definitely are NOT the majority of the world in any way whatsoever.

Israeli's are not White so please stop with this bs and also the global south you keep talking about is more pro Israel today than it was 40 years ago thanks to India being far more pro Israel than it used to be.

You always talk about the global south but then never respond when people bring up that the global south is more pro Israel than it used to be.

So you don't think Ashkenazi Jews are white? Plenty of Israelis are Caucasian. Why do you think all Israelis are non-white? Usually it's white supremacists saying stuff like that.

Azhenaki Jews in Israel are a dying breed, and a incresingly small portion. Most if not all Isreaelis now, are of Mizrahi or Serphardic descent. Regardless, they all share the same DNA and Ancestry as Palestinians.

Ashkenazim, or perhaps we should start saying "white Israelis" are 31.8% of the population per the last census, hardly a dying breed.

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There are plenty of Native Americans who look white as well. The reason is usually the same many Jews who spent thousands of years in Europe look more white, and many Jews who spent thousands of years in ME/NA regions look darker. It's completely irrelevant to the question of indigenity. The only "white Jews" are converts.

If Ashkenazi Jews were in Europe for thousands of years that would make Europe their indigenous home. Hell, my family has been in America for 400 years on one side, I think that makes me indigenous to America. Why shouldn't it? I know no other home. My direct ancestors know no other home. All of my roots are here. Do we have to be here another 400 years before indigenity kicks in? And if Jews aren't white why does the census tract for Palm Tree NY say 99% white? Obviously most of us identify that way.

Or, if the only white Jews are converts as you say, perhaps a large part of Ashkenazi ancestry comes from people who converted much later...

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Israelis and Palestinians look exactly the same so they’re either both white or they’re both non-white.

If they are Levantine Jews, yes. But the majority of Israelis are decedents of European settlers after WWII. So unless you think ethnic French/Germans “look” like Palestinians your post is just nonsense.

I wonder how a Frenchman or German in 1920 would react to being told that Jews are ‘ethnically French and German.’

The definition of race changes over time. Irish used to be a race in the U.S. and now it's not because race got changed from being defined by ethnicity and instead by skin color.

The sci-fi show The Expanse made a great example of this in fiction, detailing a future where humans had colonized the Solar System but no further. Over time in this future your race got defined by where you were from instead of what your skin color was. In one episode they have a black infantry trooper from Mars being racist to a black infantry trooper also for Mars but was born on Earth.

Great point.

Why on earth should anyone define themselves based on what French people may or may not have considered them 100 years ago?

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Israelis and Palestinians look exactly the same so they’re either both white or they’re both non-white.

If they are Levantine Jews, yes. But the majority of Israelis are decedents of European settlers after WWII. So unless you think ethnic French/Germans “look” like Palestinians your post is just nonsense.

I wonder how a Frenchman or German in 1920 would react to being told that Jews are ‘ethnically French and German.’

The definition of race changes over time. Irish used to be a race in the U.S. and now it's not because race got changed from being defined by ethnicity and instead by skin color.

The sci-fi show The Expanse made a great example of this in fiction, detailing a future where humans had colonized the Solar System but no further. Over time in this future your race got defined by where you were from instead of what your skin color was. In one episode they have a black infantry trooper from Mars being racist to a black infantry trooper also for Mars but was born on Earth.

Great point.

Why on earth should anyone define themselves based on what French people may or may not have considered them 100 years ago?

Because you ing idiot, the very reason Zionism exists is because Jews were not allowed to define themselves as French, or German, or Russian, or what have you. It is beyond offensive to lecture Israeli Jews who fled to the only spit of land in the world that would accept them as Jews that 'umm ackyshually you're just Poland, even though no one in Poland wanted you and made your life unlivable you need to go back there.'

I said nothing about anyone going back anywhere. Israel can exist within 1967 boundaries

I just think choosing to define yourself based on what the French of all people might've thought of you 100 years ago is moronic. Why all the anger?

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Israelis and Palestinians look exactly the same so they’re either both white or they’re both non-white.

If they are Levantine Jews, yes. But the majority of Israelis are decedents of European settlers after WWII. So unless you think ethnic French/Germans “look” like Palestinians your post is just nonsense.

I wonder how a Frenchman or German in 1920 would react to being told that Jews are ‘ethnically French and German.’

The definition of race changes over time. Irish used to be a race in the U.S. and now it's not because race got changed from being defined by ethnicity and instead by skin color.

The sci-fi show The Expanse made a great example of this in fiction, detailing a future where humans had colonized the Solar System but no further. Over time in this future your race got defined by where you were from instead of what your skin color was. In one episode they have a black infantry trooper from Mars being racist to a black infantry trooper also for Mars but was born on Earth.

Great point.

Why on earth should anyone define themselves based on what French people may or may not have considered them 100 years ago?

Because you ing idiot, the very reason Zionism exists is because Jews were not allowed to define themselves as French, or German, or Russian, or what have you. It is beyond offensive to lecture Israeli Jews who fled to the only spit of land in the world that would accept them as Jews that 'umm ackyshually you're just Poland, even though no one in Poland wanted you and made your life unlivable you need to go back there.'

I said nothing about anyone going back anywhere. Israel can exist within 1967 boundaries

I just think choosing to define yourself based on what the French of all people might've thought of you 100 years ago is moronic. Why all the anger?

Original claim -  "Jews are ethnically French."
Me - "No one in France thought this and went to lengths to explicitly exclude Jews from being French."
You - "Hey, buddy, who cares what the French think."
You're either trolling or legitimately a moron if you somehow think the opinions of Europeans somehow doesn't matter in determining who is accepted as 'European.'

You keep ignoring the 100 years ago part.

And let's say in the future, or maybe even tomorrow, a bunch of right wingers go through great lengths to exclude people like me from being American. That doesn't make me less American, it just makes them stupid.