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  When will people get over "deplorables"? (search mode)
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Before the debates
 
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September, after the first debate
 
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October, before the third debate
 
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After the third debate
 
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Sometime in 2017
 
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Before midterms (2018)
 
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Before Election Day (2020)
 
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After 2020
 
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Never, it will stay with her just like "bleeding from wherever"
 
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« on: September 15, 2016, 09:58:50 PM »

The point is, Clinton looks at bigotry and says "this can be improved". Trump sees the same bigotry, and thinks "this can be exploited" (just like bankruptcy laws, just like foreign workers, just like American contractors). Which of these people do you want leading your country?
Not the one calling people "deplorables" Roll Eyes
Oh my god, you just don't see it.

Clinton sees bigotry (which few would deny exists in our society) and calls it a disgrace (I do not agree with her wording, but this is her point). Trump, on the other hand, tailors his message to speak to these exact people, and gets their support, along with the economically distressed, and with partisan GOP'ers and hardcore #NeverClinton-ers after the primary. These people probably now make up the majority of his voters, but it's hard to deny that it was bigots, and bigotry, that got him the nomination in the first place.

No she rants about bigotry about anyone who disagrees with anything she says.  You sound like you think she's some sort of saint.
examples please. Even in the "deplorables" speech (which was a mistake), she acknowledges that many support Trump out of economic anxiety. Maybe you should actually look at what the candidates have said... and I'm far from considering Clinton a saint, but I respect her, which is more than can be said for Trump.

It was a "mistake" alright.  A tactical mistake, in which she gave up the ghost as far as what she really thinks of 25% of America that doesn't support her.  But it's what she meant.

"Out of the wellsprings of the heart, the mouth speaks."  Scripture describes Hillary Clinton to a "t".
OK. Now hold Trump to the same standards. Go ahead; what did he really mean when he spoke about Mexicans being rapists? You tell me. Besides, openly acting on bigotry is a personal choice. Where you're born isn't.
Choosing to engage in human trafficking, and in raping some of the persons they are trafficking is a choice of Mexican and Central Americans who engage in this manner in an organized way.  These folks are often members of Trans-National gangs and Mexican/Central American drug cartels whose members go across our border and back with impunity, conducting their organization's "business" (human trafficking, drug distribution, enforcing "territory" these gangs claim in American cities).  

http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/Gang-Arrest-Fact-Sheet_0.pdf

http://cis.org/vaughan/dream-shields-gang-members

http://cis.org/ImmigrantGangs

MS-13 and Sur-13, in particular, go back and forth across the porous Mexican border, conducting criminal business in both the US and Mexico.  Legality matters little; their members are well-armed and well-funded to do the business of drug dealing, enforcing "turf", and trafficking in humans, both for sex and immigration purposes.  These folks pose a threat to the well-being of both American citizens and legal immigrants as well as to other folks here illegally who still have the right not to be deprived of their lives without due process of law.

Failing to secure the border (and Hillary intends to keep the border porous) is subjecting Americans to levels of trans-national gang activity that they would not endure with a secure border.  That's a bottom line.  Hillary's intended refusal to secure our border and enforce our existing laws takes this risk on, and she's doing it, quite frankly, in the hopes that it will provide an electorate more tilted to supporting the progressive movement.

And when Trump said "Mexico isn't sending us their best.", he was completely correct.  Mexico has a problem controlling illegal immigration through its own Southern border with Honduras, through which many Central American trans-national gang members pass on their way to the US.  Mexico has actively shepherded these folks through Mexico on their way to the US; they've done this because these folks are a burden on Mexico and our porous border allows Mexico to perpetuate this "dump job" on the US.

Trump isn't asking for radically new immigration plans.  Outside of "the wall", he's proposing only that we fully enforce existing laws.  Hillary Clinton is trying to avoid disclosing her REAL proposal which is "If you can make it across the Rio Grande, you're home free!".  It almost doesn't matter WHAT Hillary's real immigration policy is at this point because what I suggested is what folks on both sides of the issue believe it is.



Mexico and Honduras do not share a border. Did you mean Guatemala?
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