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AuH2O
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« on: October 01, 2004, 09:29:56 PM »

It's all spin.

As a former debater, Bush clearly won on substance. Everyone knew Kerry was smoother already.
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2004, 11:21:01 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2004, 11:21:40 PM by AuH2O »

Since I took Public Speaking, and we were taught how to keep score for debate, I did so. Kerry won by four points, which isn't big. But, this was supposed to be Bush's strong point.

But it's not a speaking competition.

If I were judging it like an academic debate, I would have turned a ballot in like this:

Speaker points (15-30)

Kerry: 26
Bush: 19

* Low speaker win

Bush plan: democratize Iraq
- disadvantage: US shoulders burden

Kerry counterplan: same as Bush + summit
- no solvency: other countries won't send troops anyway
- disad: 'wrong war' talk hurts morale, hurts plan solvency

=flows Bush

Bush advantage: North Korea
- bilateral failed empirically
- Libya shows solvency w/ international pressure

Kerry reponse
- multilateral hasn't worked yet

= flows Bush

Kerry disadvantage: Bush wrong to invade Iraq; Bin Laden escapes
- wrong war at wrong time
- shows inadequate judgement

Bush response
- democracy in the Mideast solves terror

= draw to slight Kerry

Bush wins on Iraq and North Korea. Iran doesn't figure in decision.

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AuH2O
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2004, 10:43:41 AM »

The person that won the first debate has lost 4 of the last 5 elections.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2004, 09:57:24 PM »

Bush's IQ is thought to be 125 (independent analysis), though it could be +/- 5 points or so.

In other words, a lot of Democrats should probably do a little IQ test before they call Bush dumb.

Plenty of smart people aren't smooth talkers. Plenty of smooth talkers aren't smart people.
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