Canada deports Holocaust denier to Germany to be arrested

[AuH2O]

No, actually he didn't anything other than question certain details of the Holocaust. Actually you can go to jail in Canada and Germany for much, much less-- questioning the government on any policy can result in a life sentence. That's why I describe them both as "communist," despite some economic freedom.

BRTD is just a fascist that gets a boner off commies, he's not liberal in any sense of the word.

Judge Lefkow was unfortunate because she had made a correct ruling, only to have a higher (communist) court demand illegal action against Hale. Her options were to either stick to the law and be fired, or impose a large fine on Hale. Now, she did preside over the illegal conviction of Hale for "soliciting" murder-- a complete fiction made up by an FBI informant-- but then too she was probably taking orders.

Personally, I think any judge that hands down an illegal order should rightfully fear an equal and opposite reaction from the victim of their oppression. In the Zundel case, for instance, all involved judges clearly deserve the death penalty, though violence is always a measure of last resort. It would be better if freedom prevailed-- but since leftists have taken away freedoms, there is little choice for some but to use force.

The reason, obviously, that Holocaust study is such a severe offense is because authorities are fully aware of the exaggerations that were made. If Zundel was completely wrong, there would be little point in persecuting him. Claiming a certain group of people are actually from Pluto won't land you in jail, because it is simply known to be false. However, since most intelligent people recognize the Holocaust is used for political purposes, it is critical for those in power to maintain their fairy tales.

[AuH2O]

Actually you can go to jail in Canada and Germany for much, much less-- questioning the government on any policy can result in a life sentence.

ROFL

You´re statements about Germany are hilarious as always, AuH2O. Give us more, please... PLEASE!

Well, keep in mind, you're in a country where it's illegal for your dog to make like a Nazi salute. So keep laughing... I am. Germany is a joke. 10% unemployment on top of no freedom of speech. Nice.

[AuH2O]

You've been to Germany? You have German friends?

And, so far as "Naziism," I don't see a comeback. But nationalism is a different story, and once the 60s generation is out of power in Europe, you'll see major changes.

[AuH2O]

"Xenophobia" can land you in jail for, basically, ever, because they can usually add up a large number of counts.

In Canada and Germany in particular, authorities use such laws to jail people who criticize immigration policy-- that also happened in Australia, by the way, where they threw an elected politician in jail.

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Yeah, keep telling yourself you live in a free country.

[AuH2O]

Let me know when Zundel gets out of jail. He has physically hurt how many people? zero. And he'll be in jail for life.

Article 5, section 2 of Germany's "Basic Law" says that free speech can be restricted insofar as it inhibits another individual's "personal respect." Sections 185, 189, and 194 of the Criminal Code prohibit the "defamation" of deceased persons, which in theory means you cannot speak critically about any historical figure, because they are dead (though these are used mainly to defend dead Jews, not dead Germans).

Section 130 of the Criminal Code also prohibits "incitement," which is widely used to prosecute people for their beliefs. Incitement does not require any intent or possibility of violence, as it does in the US (where actually the debate is between an immediate threat and a likely threat of violence)-- all that is required is a breach of "human dignity," which leftist judges can use against people that criticize immigration.

[AuH2O]

Actually you can go to jail in Canada and Germany for much, much less-- questioning the government on any policy can result in a life sentence.

Hahaha, I think you'd better tell that to Stephen Harper; his job is questioning the government on policies.

It's a national pastime in Canada to bash the Liberals.

Is Canada perfect?  No, but last I checked, America is holding tons of people without trial, access to legal help, or without any sort of options whatsoever.  Don't act as if America is perfect.

Well they don't use their power to go after trivial criticism. But if you criticize immigration policy, you're probably headed for the slammer.

And, no, tons of American citizens are not being held "without trial." There are terrorists being held, though the number isn't overly high, and the couple that are American citizens have been ordered charged or released by the courts.

The US is far, far from perfect, but it's also one of the few countries to take freedom of speech seriously. Canada and Germany sure don't.

[AuH2O]

Let me know when Zundel gets out of jail. He has physically hurt how many people? zero. And he'll be in jail for life.

And you know this based on what? Your assumption that Zündel will "be in jail for life" has to be based on a precedence (unless you´re capable of clairvoyance). And this means that it has happened before. So, again, name a person who was sentenced to life for "questioning the government on any policy".

Article 5, section 2 of Germany's "Basic Law" says that free speech can be restricted insofar as it inhibits another individual's "personal respect." Sections 185, 189, and 194 of the Criminal Code prohibit the "defamation" of deceased persons, which in theory means you cannot speak critically about any historical figure, because they are dead (though these are used mainly to defend dead Jews, not dead Germans).

Section 130 of the Criminal Code also prohibits "incitement," which is widely used to prosecute people for their beliefs. Incitement does not require any intent or possibility of violence, as it does in the US (where actually the debate is between an immediate threat and a likely threat of violence)-- all that is required is a breach of "human dignity," which leftist judges can use against people that criticize immigration.

But where exactly is the part that states that people can be sentenced to life for "questioning the government on any policy"?

In addition you could name a person who was jailed because he criticized immigration policy.

I can't read German, but these guys should be able to give you a pretty good summary:

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/

That's one judicial establishment that persecutes people on the basis of their beliefs.

The problem of course is the government doesn't exactly publicize it's anti-thought activities, so the information available is limited.

[AuH2O]

Thats actually why tha Byrd guy was dragged to death in Texas-- the white guy had been in jail for a white collar crime and was butt raped all the time by black guys. So he killed the first black guy he saw when he got out of jail. So yeah, rape is definitely something to cheer about.

Stoiber, btw, has changed his tune recently... in fact, the whole song and dance.

Actually, the US committed genocide against the Native Americans. Humorously, they are STILL in camps ("reservations"). If you've been to one... it's not too pretty. Some do OK because of the loophole in the law that let them open casinos though.

And Canada certainly wasn't run by Nazis. Their excuse for thought policing is?

Germany in WW2 did nothing different than many countries have done. It's the identity of their victims that brought down everything on their heads. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind, and guess what, in a honest moment any Jewish person will agree.

[AuH2O]

How many have you asked? How many are your relatives?

[AuH2O]

Stop lying. Zundel was kicked out of the US because of his views-- he's not a US citizen, his visa was up, and they wouldn't renew it.

He didn't "incite" anything. Canadian communist judges declared that "denying" any part of the Holocaust automatically constitutes "inciting" hate against Jews, though of course that is pure nonsense since claiming they didn't die is merely challenging the historical record, and by extension actually is anti-violence.

Further, the crimes Germany will charge him with are the same-- "inciting" "hate" by questioning certain specifics of concentration camp design and size.

By claiming he has links to violent groups or has committed some kind of violence, you are blatantly lying in a silly, amateur attempt to make Canada look like something other than an anti-free speech country. Next time, research basic facts of the case so your lies will be a little more convincing.

[AuH2O]

Making up fake quotes isn't a great way to show you should be jailing someone.

[AuH2O]

So you're saying Canada can't follow its own Constitution?

And, no, I'm not impressed that you linked to a Wikipedia article written by some ADL clerk in 15 minutes.