Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[jimrtex]

Why is CBP needed in the Twin Cities?

https://twitter.com/JetTipNet/status/1266405487739895814?s=20

Those used to patrol the Canadian border are stationed in Grand Forks. It can loiter for 30 hours at an altitude that is out of range of gunfire (and unlikely to attract gunfire which would be more likely to kill someone on the ground when it returns).

I doubt that it is armed.

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This is seriously sick. The entire MPD just needs to be disbanded and rebuilt from the bottom up.

The police chief should be fired.

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https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

Ah, I was waiting for this. Congrats, you're the first!

I had just read the updated autopsy from the medical examiner. Presumably he would not have made a finding of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use without a toxicology report. They may have sped it up.

911 Call Transcript (pdf)

Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake
bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran
back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them
to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back
and everything and he was also drunk and everything
and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can,
so he can go home but he doesn’t want to do that, and
he’s sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he’s
not in control of himself.

...

Operator: On 38th ST. So, this guy gave a counterfeit bill,
has your cigarettes, and he’s under the influence of
something?
Caller: Something like that, yes. He is not acting right.

The surveillance video likely shot from the SE corner of Chicago and 38th St showed a blue van parked eastbound on 38th St. A short guy comes into view and appears to be yelling at the van. It later shows the first two officers walking across 38th St. This version has clipped that part. The person who made the 911 Call gave the license of the van, so I'm pretty sure the short guy was the one making the 911 Call.

New surveillance video captures part of George Floyd's arrest before he died

There was about 13 minutes between the time the short guy came, and before the first two police officers arrived. Speculation: Floyd could not drive a vehicle because of some impairment.

One policeman goes to the driver's side, while the other goes to the back rear corner of the van. One cop gets the two passengers out, one male, one female. He then goes around to help get Floyd out of the driver's side and get him cuffed. Floyd falls down once, and then is brought over next to the wall.

The officer is either writing a citation, or Mirandizing Floyd. Meanwhile a Park Policeman shows up, and with his car blocks traffic. He then positions himself as backup, and take the paper written by the first cop. He gets into his car, perhaps to radio it in. The two cops walk Floyd across 38th St and up Chicago to where their police car is. The arrest takes about 5 minutes.

The park policeman makes a U-turn and then walks back to where the van is. His job is to keep Floyd's passengers out of the van. There is his body cam of the whole time he is around (but with redactions - black boxes - of other people, as well as muting anything they say. He makes clear that they can't go back in the van. I'm quite sure the van is in an evidence garage. He also says that the other two cops will get an ambulance for "your buddy".

As the two cops with Floyd approach their police car, Floyd's knees buckle. They hold him up. As they step off the curb to go around to the passenger side, his knees buckle, and then he raises up. The indictment says that Floyd had said that he could not breathe several times.

End of video.

This is when officers Chauvin and Thao show up.

There is a video of the officers getting Floyd out of the back of the police car, working from both side. Floyd may have fallen over in the back seat or is kicking.

The next video show the three officers holding Floyd down, one on his knees and legs, one on his back, and Officer Chauvin on his neck.

The police will have the body cams from all four officers.

You may get a manslaughter charge. The MPD might be sued for improper training of how to handle those intoxicated with fentanyl.

There should be an investigation of why Floyd had fentanyl in his system. He might have been poisoned. He might have had self-medicated after having COVID-19. He might have been despondent about being unable to work.

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

Well, one common symptom of those problems is that they're liable to be used by rightists to cast aspersions on the moral character of homicide victims, so maybe you have a point.

Are most fentanyl overdose deaths homicides?

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

I was going off of the videos I'd seen just prior to his arrest.  I admittedly didn't read the full 911 transcript.

My point still stands, though: Floyd potentially being intoxicated does not absolve the officer(s) in this case.  I'm not sure if that's the angle you're going for, jimrtex, but he was handcuffed on the ground with a fully-grown man putting his weight on his neck for almost nine minutes.  That's inexcusable, point blank.  

When Floyd is in the van, you can't see him. When he is taken out of the van and handcuffed he appears to be struggling, though the van blocks the view. There may be more on the body cam. The indictment of Chauvin says that Floyd resisted arrest. He also appears to have stumbled a bit.

He is then placed against a wall in a sitting position, but more of a sprawling position. He is then formally arrested for passing the counterfeit bill(s). The officer either wrote a citation or was reading Miranda rights (he had what appears to be a ticket sheet, and a pen). It would not be surprising if an officer is trained to state each right, and to check it off.

It is at this point that he is "arrested". At this point it looked entirely normal for a stop for public intoxication. I don't know whether it is possible to easily distinguish between alcohol intoxication and fentanyl intoxication.

According to the indictment of Chauvin, Floyd several times said that he could not breathe while still standing.

Restraining a prisoner who is belligerent is not wrong. The sex of the officer or his age has nothing to do with the case. He was not using his full weight. Most of his weight was on his other foot.

Whether the officers should have realized that Floyd had stopped breathing is a separate issue.

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That doesn’t justify pretty blatant homicide. I mean, Floyd was already disabled as a threat minutes before he started begging for air. When Mr Floyd desperately gasped out in pleas to get a bit of air, that should have been pretty damn obvious for the officer, even with the context. A lot of police allegations are exaggerated/miss context. This one doesn’t and is pretty obviously murder on the officer’s part.

According to the indictment, Floyd had said that he could not breathe several times while standing up.

[jimrtex]

This is seriously sick. The entire MPD just needs to be disbanded and rebuilt from the bottom up.

The police chief should be fired.

Because of some of your other comments regarding George Floyd's death, I'm curious as to to whether the police chief should be fired because of the actions of the four officers (particularly Chauvin) or for firing/consenting to the firing of (I'm not sure entirely how that process works) the four officers (or some of them) without "due process"?

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4575061-mpls-community-members-stand-behind-police-chief-arradondo/

Responsibility starts at the top.

The last police chief was forced out after a police officer shot and killed a civilian. This might have also led to the defeat of the incumbent mayor (who finished 3rd).

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I realize that Trump is historically illiterate, but there's this pesky thing called the Posse Comitatus Act that got passed at the end of Reconstruction that prevents him from carrying out his very stable fantasies about sending in the troops. Under the circumstance, it's a little ironic since a prime motivation behind the act was to prevent a future President from sending in the troops to protect the negroes.

Article IV Section 4

[jimrtex]

That doesn’t justify pretty blatant homicide. I mean, Floyd was already disabled as a threat minutes before he started begging for air. When Mr Floyd desperately gasped out in pleas to get a bit of air, that should have been pretty damn obvious for the officer, even with the context. A lot of police allegations are exaggerated/miss context. This one doesn’t and is pretty obviously murder on the officer’s part.

According to the indictment, Floyd had said that he could not breathe several times while standing up.

...We have video evidence of everything, I don’t know who you are trying to fool here.

"While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."

The state authorities have the body cam videos/audios. They prepared the indictment. It is not likely that they would make it up.

I won't know who "we" is in your statement. Do you work for the Minnesota or Minneapolis authorities or FBI?

[jimrtex]

I realize that Trump is historically illiterate, but there's this pesky thing called the Posse Comitatus Act that got passed at the end of Reconstruction that prevents him from carrying out his very stable fantasies about sending in the troops. Under the circumstance, it's a little ironic since a prime motivation behind the act was to prevent a future President from sending in the troops to protect the negroes.

Article IV Section 4

I don't get what you thought you were trying to imply.  If anything, between the language there "on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened)" and the Tenth Amendment, it would seem that even without the Posse Comitatus Act, the Federal government can't send troops into the States to engage in policing unless the government of that State asks for such assistance.

Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Article IV, Section 4 is an express authorization in the Constitution.

In the case of the tweets, President Trump condemned the weak radical left mayor of Minneapolis, and said that he had talked to the governor (Tim Walz) and told him that he would have the full support of the US Military.

Walz can of course call out the National Guard (part of the Minnesota militia) to protect life and property when the police department is overwhelmed. I suspect that there is express congressional approval for the US Military providing logistical support for a state National Guard when it is acting in a state capacity.

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/mcquillanator/status/1267575544218112000
DA Medical Examiner is now also calling the Floyd killing a homicide.

Im shocked. Who'd a thunk crushing someones windpipe for the length of a Quibi video would cause them to suffocate?

What are the symptoms of fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use?

If this is the new narrative that we're going with -- that Floyd was "intoxicated" on Fentanyl, then he would not have been nearly as coordinated or coherent as he appears in the various videos taken pre-arrest.  From my experiences, people who have overdosed on Fentanyl appear to be severely drunk (depending on the dosage).  

None of this matters anyway.  Let's say that Floyd was high-as-a-kite, his cardiovascular health was in dire straits and he was minutes away from an unrelated infarction.  Chauvin's actions still directly contributed to his death.  

What do you mean by the part that I have bolded? The store clerk who made the 911 Call said that Floyd looked drunk or something. That there wasn't something right with him. That Floyd was sitting in his car. It appears to be that it was 7 minutes between the 911 Call and the time the first officers arrived.

He was handcuffed and arrested at that time, he appears to have his knees buckled at that time. The formal arrest appears to be while Floyd was sitting/sprawling on the ground.

The store clerk thought that Floyd was drunk or something. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, the store clerk would not have been able to run down the street and yell at him and get the license plate, because Floyd would have driven off. If Floyd had not been intoxicated, he would not have been sitting in the car 7 minutes later when the police arrived.

Imagine that a drunk is beating the c__p out of his wife. Do you send a doctor, nurse, EMT, marriage counselor, or a police officer?

I was going off of the videos I'd seen just prior to his arrest.  I admittedly didn't read the full 911 transcript.

My point still stands, though: Floyd potentially being intoxicated does not absolve the officer(s) in this case.  I'm not sure if that's the angle you're going for, jimrtex, but he was handcuffed on the ground with a fully-grown man putting his weight on his neck for almost nine minutes.  That's inexcusable, point blank.  

He was not using his full weight. Most of his weight was on his other foot.

Nobody said that restraining Mr. Floyd (in itself) was wrong.  
 
"Not using his full weight" is not relevant here.  From what I remember in the forensics classes that I took (my original path through undergrad), it only takes about five to ten pounds of pressure to occlude the carotid arteries.  It takes about thirty to thirty-five pounds of pressure to occlude the airway.  

Let's assume that Chauvin weighs 160-180 lbs.  Even if he's not placing all of his weight on one knee, a significant portion of his body weight is being applied to Floyd's carotid and airway.  

This may have been a different story if Chauvin held Floyd down for fifteen-to-thirty seconds (although even this can be dangerous).  But Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for almost ten minutes.  Restraining him until he relaxes is fine.  But you don't mess around with the vital arteries and airway. 

Sources:

https://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicsasphyxia.html  

https://www.umc.edu/som/Departments%20and%20Offices/SOM%20Departments/Pediatrics/Divisions/Forensic-Medicine/files/investigating_asphyxial_deaths.pdf

Wouldn't that be pressure on the side or front of the neck?

Why would Floyd repeatedly be saying that he couldn't breathe while he was standing up?

Are Minneapolis police officers trained to distinguish between fetanyl intoxication and alcohol intoxication?

[jimrtex]

That doesn’t justify pretty blatant homicide. I mean, Floyd was already disabled as a threat minutes before he started begging for air. When Mr Floyd desperately gasped out in pleas to get a bit of air, that should have been pretty damn obvious for the officer, even with the context. A lot of police allegations are exaggerated/miss context. This one doesn’t and is pretty obviously murder on the officer’s part.

According to the indictment, Floyd had said that he could not breathe several times while standing up.

...We have video evidence of everything, I don’t know who you are trying to fool here.

"While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."

The state authorities have the body cam videos/audios. They prepared the indictment. It is not likely that they would make it up.

I won't know who "we" is in your statement. Do you work for the Minnesota or Minneapolis authorities or FBI?

I think that what forumlurker was trying to say is that Floyd saying he can't breathe while standing up is irrelevant to the fact that he was suffocated by a knee while on the ground.

Why is it irrelevant?

Floyd said that he couldn't breathe while standing up and when he was constrained on the ground. It is not unreasonable to believe that his position did not have an effect on his breathing.

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

[jimrtex]

Considering that a key element of second degree murder is an intent to kill or cause serious injury, doesn't that risk an acquittal if the intent can't be proved?

Edit: I see that third degree murder and manslaughter remain on the charge sheet.

In this case, the key element is that the death occurred during commission of a felony (assault). Conceivably they could convince a juror that it was an "assault".

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PQG was asking.

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

Here’s a question for you: If you’re so confident in your position on this issue, why don’t you just state your position rather than engaging in this asinine line of questioning?

PQG used a certain word in her question that has a particular connotation. I can not answer her question if I don't understand it.

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

[jimrtex]

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1268240529034227713
 

I bet if Klobuchar was still prosecutor she would have thrown the binder at him.

[jimrtex]

Before we continue this back and forth, jimrtex, let me ask: in your opinion, was there wrongdoing on the part of Officer Chauvin?

What do you mean by wrongdoing?

Is that the same as doing the wrong thing?

Were his actions those of malfeasance or misfeasance?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Lane?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Kueng?

Was their wrongdoing on the part of Officer Thao?

According to the indictment Officer Lane asked Floyd whether he was "on anything"? It is unknown whether Floyd responded.

When Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis Police officer in 2017, was it because she was black?

What an utterly obtuse response. It was a simple question, it didn’t require a ponderous line of branching inquiries capped by a non-sequitur.

Wrongdoing means illegal or dishonest behavior

You can do something wrong, but it not be illegal or dishonest.

I was simply asking for clarification of what PKG was asking.

You launched off into a line of tangential questions that weren't necessary for stating your position clearly. She didn't ask you about what you thought about the other officers' culpability or about another unrelated police shooting case involving a black victim, she asked you whether you think Derek Chauvin is responsible for wrongdoing. You also could have just freely given your opinion on whether you thought it was malfeasance or misfeasance, or whether it was wrong, illegal, dishonest, or any combination of the three, or none. PGQ isn't a lawyer or judge, she probably wasn't even thinking about the legalese aspect when she asked her question.

She asked a question that included a word which typically has a certain connotation.

I know that she is neither a lawyer or judge, but I suspect that she does understand what I was asking.

Fair enough, jimrtex! So let me ask in a more specific way: do you believe that it is appropriate for Chauvin to be charged with homicide?

I'm not trying to needle you or ask you loaded questions. Yours is simply a perspective that isn't being expressed all that frequently.  

We will eventually see the videos of when Floyd was resisting being placed in the squad, and placed in the squad car. There has been a video showing both rear doors open and officers reaching in from both sides, but not showing Floyd, which apparently led to Floyd being removed and placed on the ground and restrained.

It is unknown what some of the body cams will show, because they will be at a close distance and likely jerking around.

So Officer Chauvin may not have recognized that it was fentanyl intoxication rather than alcohol intoxication. I don't know whether you would use different restraint techniques. I assume placing someone on their back might result in more pressure on the chest, greater risk of breaking ribs, more pressure on the throat. Placing someone on their side would be more unstable as they could roll easier.

Was Chauvin trained to use a knee on the shoulder rather than the neck? Or was he trained to use as shoulder on the neck?

Was more force used because Floyd was black? Certainly more force was used because he was male and 6'4" and what he was wearing. Being black may have enhanced the perceived threat.

I think that the charges against the other officers are bogus. Officer Thao was protecting the other officers from possible attack. Officers Lane and Kueng were on the back and legs, knees. All three face a 40-year sentence for aiding and abetting an assault that led to death. They might not even be assaulting but merely:

have "intentionally aided, advised, hired, counseled, or conspired with or otherwise procured another to commit a felony offense [of] assault in the third degree".

Unless we want to assume some grand conspiracy, "advised, hired, counseled, or conspired with or otherwise procured another" are out. It was not a professional hit on Floyd with Chauvin set up as the patsy (to my belief which tend to discount conspiracies).

So you get a jury to be convinced that it was an assault in the third degree (inflicts substantial bodily harm). Then you get them to decide that the defendant intentionally (1) held the knees; (2) held the back; or (3) prevented bystanders from stopping the assault. You get a guilty verdict, and sentence them to up to 40 years.

If you thought they were participating in an assault you would have charged them with assault.

So you run three separate trials, honing your arguments, or you get a plea bargain for aiding and abetting second degree manslaughter (not more than 10 years; and get a minimal sentence perhaps for time served assuming the trial is not for a couple of years).

The newest charges against Chauvin omit that Floyd was saying that he could not breathe while standing up, but note that Floyd said "thank you man" when he was arrested.

The autopsy now has the toxicity report. I don't know how to interpret the fentanyl and amphetamine amounts. Presumably fentanyl decays fairly quickly. If you administered a dose to last all day it would kill you, so you have to continually use small amounts?

Floyd was also tested positive for Covid-19. The autopsy said that he had previously tested positive on April 4 - but the virus can be detected by a nose swab even this much later. That was fairly early, particularly since Minnesota has not been hard hit as places like Chicago or Detroit. So was he symptomatic, or tested because of an outbreak at the night club where he was a bouncer.

Would you be prescribed Opioids if you were feeling chest pain, or would that further suppress breathing?

Sorry about asking about Justine Damond. That was a trick question. She was a white woman who was shot by a Somali-American Minneapolis cop. She had called 911 reporting that she had heard a woman being raped or having loud sex. The police did not find anyone, and were slowly driving down an alley with lights out. Damond approached and was shot outside an open window by the surprised officer.

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Your entire wall of text ignores the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck AFTER he had stopped moving. Regardless of what Chauvin’s intent was before that or any preexisting conditions Floyd might have had, at that point Chauvin knew or should have known that he was contributing to Floyd’s death.

Who summoned the ambulance?

[jimrtex]

Your entire wall of text ignores the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck AFTER he had stopped moving. Regardless of what Chauvin’s intent was before that or any preexisting conditions Floyd might have had, at that point Chauvin knew or should have known that he was contributing to Floyd’s death.

Who summoned the ambulance?

LOL. I can't with you, Jim. S-M-effing-H.

The Park Police officer told Floyd's two passengers that the other officers would be getting their "buddy" an ambulance.

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Because I'm a masochist, I decided to take a look at r/ProtectAndServe and it turns out those people are just as deranged as I thought. To be fair, some of them did say the maybe, just maybe, not having enough job experience is not a justification for thinking that killing someone is all fine and dandy, but more than enough were saying the opposite.

For context: Lane and Kueng are two of the officers charged with abetting George Floyd's murder.

Did they BOTH have only 4 days on the job? I heard one cop did.

The were both in the same training class and graduated in December 2019. Lane was on his 4th full-time shift, and Kueng was on his 3rd. There must have been additional service in some sort of probationary role.

Mayor Frey should resign and the police chief fired for their failure to train officers properly.