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jimrtex
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« on: November 16, 2016, 01:45:28 PM »


Will Bernie Sanders' write-in votes be broken out from the total scattered write-in votes? 

I know that's generally not done, but it is unusual to have a draft write-in winning 5%+ of the vote in a single state.
It depends on the state. Some states only count votes for official write-in candidates. In Texas, the presidential candidate must file, and include the vice-presidential candidate and 38 elector candidates, each of whom must give their consent.

In other states, a party or slate of electors may file, but they require the consent of the presidential candidate.

In California a slate of elector candidates may file, and designate a presidential candidate without his consent, and there is a Sanders write-in slate in California.

In Washington, write-in votes are counted, but they are not tabulated to individual candidates unless it has an impact on an election. This is primarily to check that apparent write-in votes, undervotes, and overvotes are not actually votes for an on-ballot candidate. Washington does permit write-ins for undeclared write-in candidates, as long as the office and candidate are clear. Since there is a space for write-in candidates for each office, a vote for [X] Write-In "Sanders" under presidential candidate would be clear if he had filed in Washington. But there are 1000s of Sanders in this country. Why should it be assumed that it is a vote for some elderly person in a tiny state in New England?

The SOS is not reporting write-ins, but King County has 2.58% and Pierce County 3.09%.
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jimrtex
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 02:06:03 PM »

This is actually an interesting subject, compared to some of the other threads on the Forum these days that have descended us the usual squabbling....

In Oregon, there appears to be an almost historic number of write-ins, about 3% of the total statewide vote, and higher than Steins 2%, and only slightly lower than Johnson's 4%.

Unfortunately we won't know who these write-ins were for, unless the SoS certifies the election results next month, however it appears to be statewide and transcends the traditional partisan affiliations of heavily Democratic and Republican counties.

What I suspect is that a significant chunk of these are Bernie votes, who won 35/36 counties in the Democratic Primary, and possibly some Mormon voters writing in McMullen, where especially in Eastern Oregon you have many counties that are 10%+ Mormon, as well as a smaller but significant statewide population.

I know that Donald Duck will usually win about 1,000 votes in Oregon, regardless of whomever is running for President, and some people write in themselves but..... it is absolutely crazy to have 3% write-in votes in Presidential Election out here....
ORS 254.500 would appear to forbid tallying write-in votes for individual candidates.
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jimrtex
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 02:34:44 PM »

That's where I'm at for Oregon, but at least results are being counted much quicker for the GE than the 2016 Primary.... took me almost three weeks to get the 100% "unoffical" final results from Oregon, and once the official ones are posted I find out that Bernie unofficially won the one county he "lost" because there were two write-in Bernie votes from Indies or Reps that wrote him in... Sad

Map still looks weird with that one small county in the Grain Belt of Oregon along the Columbia River.

I can see why they didn't count those two votes. So, you were able to get a break down on all of the write in votes? Did Lincoln Chafee get any write in votes?

I'm about halfway through the 2008 results on Atlas for CA and almost all counties do have Ron Paul's votes listed (only 2 out of 30 or so didn't). I think we'll get pretty good results this time, but we'll just have to be patient.
The Secretary of State has vote totals for all write-in candidates in 2008 and 2012 by county. There is a possibility that Trinity in 2012 and Del Norte in 2008 did not report write-ins.

But California is unusual in that it permits slates of write-in elector candidates, without the permission of the presidential candidate (the same is true for all elector slates, The California Democratic Party did not have to have Clinton's consent to have her name appear on the ballot).
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jimrtex
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 02:56:48 PM »

Here's from the Oregon SoS website:

When write-in votes are cast in Oregon, they are counted by a process laid out in Oregon law. A voter can write-in a person's name on the ballot and the vote will count. The write-in votes will be tallied together except if the total number of write-in votes equals or exceeds the number of votes cast for any candidate printed on the ballot of the same office, then the tally will show the total number of votes for each write-in candidate.

The impact of a write-in candidate receiving more votes than either major Presidential party nominee whose electors are already assigned has never been evaluated under applicable Oregon and Federal law since this has not arisen in any previous Presidential election. If such a situation should arise, the Elections Division will take appropriate steps to resolve the question prior to the convening of those electors 30 days after the election.


It looks like the SOS misread or misquoted the statute (ORS 254.500). Parts of the first paragraph quote the statute verbatim, but skip the part that is bolded. Perhaps they were focused on the second part of the question.

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ps Johnson and Stein are (or were) tied in Multnomah County with 12,594 votes.
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