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« on: November 17, 2011, 08:58:08 PM »

What would've happened if Hamilton's political career survived long enough that he could be the 1796 Federalist candidate instead of Adams? If Hamilton could win, how might that change American foreign policy, economics, expansion, etc.? What would happen to Jefferson if he won? What happens to either of them if they get second place and become VP?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 07:17:19 PM »

No, John Adams was always going to be the second President.  However, if Hamilton had not been forced to the sidelines, I think he would have stayed away from the shenanigans that led to Jefferson instead of Pinckney being our second vice-President.  The 1800 election would likely have been between Adams and Clinton, with Adams winning.  I think Adams would have followed Washington's precedent and not run for third term, and Hamilton would have been the most likely candidate for the Federalist nomination.  Hard to say who would have gotten the D-R nomination.  If Hamilton had won in 1804, it's quite likely we would have gotten involved in the Napoleonic Wars sooner than we did and on the side of Britain.  We probably would have invaded Louisiana in 1805 as our contribution to the War of the Third Coalition.  (I don't see a Louisiana or even a New Orleans Purchase happening with Adams as President.)

It would have been interesting to have a few U.S. ships at the Battle of Trafalgar, but I think the small U.S. Navy would have stayed mainly on this side of the Atlantic pond.

An 1804 race between Hamilton and Burr should have an interesting conclusion. Wink

What I was thinking about, primarily, when I made this, was Hamilton's foreign policy given the trouble with the French. I'm wondering if this establishes an early precedent for American foreign intervention, and maybe even makes Conservatives warhawks earlier on than in OTL. Also, how America entering into war so early might effect it. How might these questions be changed with a Hamilton Presidency beginning in 1805?
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 04:18:41 PM »

I'd think Connecticut would be  shoo-in for Hamilton in the above race. What I'm wondering about is the more Liberal side of Jefferson when reading your description of a modern race. Jefferson was probably majority Minarchist, but he also called for re-distribution in order to level the playing field. That might help in the West, but among the uber-rugged individualists (not saying they'd vote Hamilton), that would still be the sin of government interference. I see Hamilton doing better in Maine, Wisconsin, and Illinois than you give him credit for. (not that I"m a big Hamilton fan. I thinkthey both had good and bad qualities)
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 10:37:14 AM »

Provided that Hamilton was eligible, a curbstomp for Tommy is inevitable:


By saying "Curbstomp for Tommy" it sounds like you have Jefferson losing. But given how you think of the two men and the colors you're using, I'm guessing you meant the opposite.
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