Should the Democrats adopt the agenda of Robertson and Falwell?

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The average Americans is doing worse now than they were doing 5 years ago.

Maybe you elitist Virginians can't see that.

hahaha . . . wow, I didn't realize that Virginia was full of Republican, Democratic, and Independent elitists.  And here I thought they were only found in New York and California. 

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The average Americans is doing worse now than they were doing 5 years ago.

Maybe you elitist Virginians can't see that.

hahaha . . . wow, I didn't realize that Virginia was full of Republican, Democratic, and Independent elitists.  And here I thought they were only found in New York and California. 

Are you saying that elitists are only in NY and CA?

*sigh*  Humor is lost on you once again.  hehehe

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High wages and overzealous union labor are what lead to outsourcing. The former is increased by the latter.

Wow, that's ridiculous. You really don't believe what you just wrote, right?

It's amazing how much the right has brainwashed their supporters on economic issues.

Uhhh . . . hello?  Unions do more harm than good.  Why do you think more and more companies go without unions?  The benefits are too high, too many restrictions on work conditions, and work stoppages whenever the union isn't happy.  It chokes the ability for the company to grow and modernize, which inhibits their ability to compete.  Therefore, the market demand is picked up by companies who have the freedom to move and adapt to the higher output requirements, which normally are overseas companies.

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1. It makes it look like you don't really believe in your positions. Voters will note this, and vote Republican

Yet, if the majority of Americans are in the middle, and the Democrats refuse to move to meet their needs, then the Democrats will continue to lose seats.

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Uh . . . no, they just don't share your vision.

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If you alienate a base of 1,000 to embrace the middle of 100,000, I think you will recoup more than what you have lost, in both financial and volunteer terms.

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Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

Ok Ayatollah Rocket.  Unlike your radical view on things, the rest of us just want more options.

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Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

According to you and jfern, there is no such thing as centrism.  I beg to differ.  Go look at the voting electorate.  Most people want someone who is balanced, with views that partially complement both sides.  This is how Clinton got elected, and as the electorate swings further to the right.  It's the only way we can take the White House.

What have the "moderates" done in the last 5 years to stop the right-wing Bush agenda? Time to ditch the spineless "moderates". Daschle was the worst Democratic leader ever.

Enjoy being a radical minority.  We should start calling you the Zell Miller of the extreme left.  "I didn't leave the party, the party left me."

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According to Pew, the number of liberals has doubled in the last 5 years.

And they are not following the exteme ideology which you adhere to.  They don't want to be "our way or no way" liberals.  They want to work with the other side and progess forward (hence the term Progressive movement). 

Yet another reason why the two-party dominated system is doomed to fail.

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How am I an "our way or no way" liberal?

How?  By marginalizing the majority of your party.

Time to ditch the spineless "moderates".

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Centrists and Moderates don't have any principles, you are either allied with the ultra-religous or the seculars.

According to you and jfern, there is no such thing as centrism.  I beg to differ.  Go look at the voting electorate.  Most people want someone who is balanced, with views that partially complement both sides.  This is how Clinton got elected, and as the electorate swings further to the right.  It's the only way we can take the White House.

What have the "moderates" done in the last 5 years to stop the right-wing Bush agenda? Time to ditch the spineless "moderates". Daschle was the worst Democratic leader ever.

Pelosi, though she's in the House and not the Senate, is at least twice as bad as Daschle ever was.

Agreed.  At least he tried to work with and get legislation passed.  All she does is stand there and make funny faces.

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How am I an "our way or no way" liberal?

How?  By marginalizing the majority of your party.

Time to ditch the spineless "moderates".

All I'm asking for them is to have a spine and stand up to the Republicans. Here's an opinion poll.

"Which of the following roles would you like to see the Democrats in Congress play? (A) Work in a bipartisan way with Republicans to help pass President Bush's legislative priorities so that we do not have gridlock. OR, (B) Provide a balance to make sure that President Bush and the Republicans do not go too far in pushing their agenda."

63% provide a balance
30% help pass Bush plan

I say that we should pay attention to that 63%, and tell that 30% to go screw themselves.

Yet maybe the 63% agree on many of the things that Bush has tried to get through Congress, such as Social Security reform (and I don't necessarily mean personal savings accounts, I'm talking about true reform).  Currently, the majority of Democratic politicians have taken the "don't touch it/we're against whatever your propose" stance, rather than accept the open invite Bush made to accept all proposals.  Those 63% want to see progress, not just the status quo.

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Pick a side folks, you can't have it both ways.

That's an extremist point of view.  There is more than two options to any issue in government.