PA Senator allowing gay people to exist

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Don't be ridiculous, there are no gay people at all where Coburn lives. None, at all. None!!

Unfortunately there are lots.  I am not far from Ohio State.  They are VERY pc there let me tell you.  There was a time if a guy was light in the loafers on a college campus the football team would kick his ass and send him out with the next mornings garbage.  Today every one seems to celebrate this disgusting preversion.

Jerk.
I hope you fall out of your crib tonight and break your hands, so you can't be on the computer anymore to share your useless brain with everyone.

You just called the bible useless.  There are hundreds of bible passages saying it IS preversion and evil.  Dont argue with me argue with the bible.

So you believe in slavery, that a wife is property of her husband, and in sacrificing children??

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Don't be ridiculous, there are no gay people at all where Coburn lives. None, at all. None!!

Unfortunately there are lots.  I am not far from Ohio State.  They are VERY pc there let me tell you.  There was a time if a guy was light in the loafers on a college campus the football team would kick his ass and send him out with the next mornings garbage.  Today every one seems to celebrate this disgusting preversion.

Jerk.
I hope you fall out of your crib tonight and break your hands, so you can't be on the computer anymore to share your useless brain with everyone.

You just called the bible useless.  There are hundreds of bible passages saying it IS preversion and evil.  Dont argue with me argue with the bible.

So you believe in slavery, that a wife is property of her husband, and in sacrificing children??

That is old testament which christians beleive is null and void as far as legal laws are concerned.  The new testament is very clear that homosexuality is preversion.  Children are to be cherished .

Ahh so your lying again I see

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Thought Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

He didn't, conservatives lie and say he did because of their own bigotry.  Very "Christian" thing to do isn't it.....

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Read the above, Phil. That is what the guy compared my relationship to. He also claims that homosexual relationships are "inherently dysfunctional". You're damn right I find that abhorrent - are you going to tell me that's an inappropriate reaction?

If you find that viewpoint abhorrent, more power to you. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. You called the man himself abhorrent though. You know almost nothing about him. Don't sign silly petitions about people you barely know.

First impressions are everything.

Considering you know very little about the man, my point still stands.

Phil it takes an awful lot of hate to have an opinion as warped as he does, and anyone with that level of hate inside of them is abhorrent.

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Read the above, Phil. That is what the guy compared my relationship to. He also claims that homosexual relationships are "inherently dysfunctional". You're damn right I find that abhorrent - are you going to tell me that's an inappropriate reaction?

If you find that viewpoint abhorrent, more power to you. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. You called the man himself abhorrent though. You know almost nothing about him. Don't sign silly petitions about people you barely know.

First impressions are everything.

Considering you know very little about the man, my point still stands.

Phil it takes an awful lot of hate to have an opinion as warped as he does, and anyone with that level of hate inside of them is abhorrent.

Right, Smash.

Smash obligatory hack quota fulfulled for 6/22/09.

Ahh yes Phil because calling a hate monger abhorrent is a hackish statement......

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Considering you exploded at me a while ago for doing exactly what you just did with your little rolleyes there, I believe you're a hypocrite and have absolutely no leg to stand on here.[/qupte]

LOL what?

Uh, context, please? You're calling me a hypocrite because I used the eye roll? I doubt I "exploded" on you because you used the eye roll; I most likely "exploded" because of your reasoning. Nice attempt at spinning this though. You're not liking the way this is going so you want to veer off and try to discredit me with a very, very twisted/poor example of how I'm a hypocrite.

 

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Oh, boy.

I'm not going to point out the several times I said our differing opinions is fine with me. I said what I cannot respect is how you blatantly twist what was said by someone and you think slipperly slope arguments = homophobia. Sorry, that's childish and wrong and I'm going to point it out. If that means I'm "belittling" you based on a "difference of opinion," whatever. Yet another point you're blatantly twisting.

And Phil's not being a hack at all defending someone who thinks gays should be happy they are being allowed to "exist" just because he has a R next to his name.

Yep, I defend anyone with an (R) next to their name...or I'm defending someone I know a little bit more about than you do.

By the way, dope, try reading my first post in this thread and notice how I'm not defending his position throughout this thread; I'm defending him from character attacks from people who know little to nothing about him.

Also, check other threads where I've said that I don't totally agree with Eich's efforts and I'm not sure if I'd vote for it if it came to the voters.

You're dismissed now.

Phil, look at the guys statements, its much more than just someone who simply disagrees with Gay Marriage,  Anyone who comes out and makes an argument with that much venom and hate is a hate monger period.

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Phil, how exactly is suggesting that gay relationships are dysfunctional not hate and not homophobic??

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Phil, how exactly is suggesting that gay relationships are dysfunctional not hate and not homophobic??

His response wasn't exactly convincing that he feels that way.


A long pause followed by an "Ummmm." Yeah, I can feel that seething hatred.

And he couldn't say no because??

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And I do think he is an "abhorrent" human being for the things he said. What is there that I need to know about him huh? He might be a good guy in many ways but these views he has imho makes him a bad person. I am sure many racists are good people in other ways too, except for a few extremely disgusting views. In my opinion that makes them horrible human beings and I feel the same way about homophobes like Eich, even if he is otherwise a great guy.

Again, I don't think his positions are homophobic but whatever. I'll be sure to find a fault of yours and call you abhorrent even though I know very little about you.

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And you know nothing else about him so calling him an all around horrible person is disgusting.

And he couldn't say no because??

A leading question by Leach made that a bit difficult. Eich certainly has to do better articulating his position. This is a perfect example why. Leach is known to be a very colorful debater and he perfectly painted Eich into a corner.

That shouldn't exactly be a tough question to answer...  Though people with his hateful views are often pretty stupid.

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Though people with his hateful views are often pretty stupid.

Ah, yes! Another favorite - calling people we disagree with "stupid." Lovely.

Did I say people I disagree with were stupid?  No.  What I said is most people with hateful views are stupid.

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... so if I have an intense hate for Italians, but all my other qualities were perfect, and if I say "Ummm" before badmouthing Italians, it's justified?

Dude, I think I've been over this before. Go ahead and hate Italians like I hate the French. I really don't care. If you have "perfect" other qualities, I'm not going to call you a bad person! Hell, you wouldn't even be a bad person to me personally if you treated me kindly on a one on one level (as I would do with a Frenchman, for example).

Though people with his hateful views are often pretty stupid.

Ah, yes! Another favorite - calling people we disagree with "stupid." Lovely.

Did I say people I disagree with were stupid?  No.  What I said is most people with hateful views are stupid.

And even if he was more "mild" in his approach, you'd still call him stupid and hateful.

Phil, I don't think all people who oppose Gay Marriage or hateful.  However, I do think that the people who use the rhetoric he did are hateful.  That type rhetoric doesn't come from simply disagreeing with Gay marriage, it comes from hate.