BREAKING: Senate Republicans block repeal of DADT

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Expected, but nonetheless not any less disgusting.

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Again, I think this goes back to the fact that Reid is a terrible Majority Leader.  Republicans blocked it because of a failure to agree to the number of amedments that would be allowed to be introduced as well as the timing of the debate.  If Reid would have just talked to them on that, we'd be moving forward with this.

Although, the GOP not voting on anything until taxes gets solved isn't helping either.  It's not like we're taking debate time away from that issue... neither side needs to debate (unless you take Rep. Weiner's stance on the issue, but the amount of Reps. who want to debate is minimal... what needs to happen is a sit-down and an agreement).

Ahh you mean things like Cornyn's pet projects he was demanding the first go around??

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Yeah, quoting the Bible is a great argument against it.

it either is or it isn't, but the most elusive aspect of jmfcst is his apathy toward a basic fact that he even must know: the GOP's action in this case has less than nothing to do with 1 Peter 4:4-5.  he would likely reply that this doesn't matter, as even if the GOP's stance on the side of Light in this case is incidental, the fact that they are being "mocked" for it is suggestive of our movement towards the End Times.

1 Peter 4:4-5 has EVERYTHING to do with this since the context of the verse is in regard to immorality – that immoral people think it strange you don’t agree with them, and they heap abuse on you due to your stand.

Now, that doesn’t mean I believe most of GOP elected officials care anything about morality, a good portion voted against repeal simply because they’re afraid of people like me voting them out of office in the next primary.  So, give me the credit for this vote.

Well I guess its good that you admit you are a hate filled bigot that would vote out those that don't share your hate, venom and bigotry....

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Here's the thing... you guys are acting like DADT is the only thing in this bill.  It's 849 pages long... if Reid really wants this to pass, he would allow for the Republicans to have some amendments to it.  It's only fair.

Reid wasn't blocking the GOP from adding amendments to the bill.  The issue was over the time allotted for the bill.  The GOP was demanding a ton of time to add amendments and no agreement was made about exactly how much time would be allotted.   Collins did vote for repeal.

One thing to note is it seems the DADT will get a stand alone vote, its something Collins and Lieberman are working on and Reid has said he will support bringing it to the floor and while no timetable is set when a vote will be held, it will be prior to the lame duck session ending.  

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I'm half sad and half happy with this vote.  But yeah, you're right, it's not really all that shocking.

Why does ongoing employment discrimination make you happy? You, of all people, should be sensitive to work issues.

It doesn't, but I have both my current Democratic ideology coming out and I also have my Republican upbringing and surroundings both coming into play here.  In my heart, I side with my Democratic friends and we should repeal it.  Mind you, I'm not a fan at all of the GLBT lifestyle, but as Hillary Clinton put it, you don't have to be straight to shoot straight.

Can somebody translate this into a cogent argument? As I read it, it's completely non-sequitor.

Basically Bushie is saying that he was brought up to have hate and venom at those who are different, and while he doesn't totally share that view of hate, bigotry and venom he still shares part of it.

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It's simply crazy that a policy with this broad base of support [~70%, more than basically every other "controversial" issue combined], has trouble being passed by itself, let alone attached to an important defense authorization bill.   Seems like every remotely moderate Senator should be behind not filibustering funding our military, even if it means allowing our troops to be as gay as Israel's, Australia's or the UK's.

Come on Lunar... there are even Democrats who want to offer amendments to the bill.

Actually both sides would have had a chance to offer Amendments.  The Dems 5, and the GOP 10.

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But the DADT repeal isn't even the majority of this bill.  The bill is HUGE... amendments should be able to be offered, and doing this in December is just dumb on Reid's part.

Maybe I have too much faith in the GOP, but I think there are enough Snowes, Browns, and Collins in the Senate that they'll outweigh the McCains who truly just want to keep stalling forever and never repeal DADT.

But lumping DADT in with a bill that's close to 1000 pages was not the way to repeal it.  And to simplify this bill down to "The repeal of DADT" is dishonest and it means that you're ignoring the other 800-some pages of the bill when you describe it.

Both sides did have an opportunity to offer Amendments.  And the reason why this is being done in December is because the GOP did the exact same thing in September.

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True, heterosexual sex isn't a behavior either. Guess your post dodges mean I'm right again.

Who the hell is taking about sex??

I find it rather interesting that the religious right who  are opposed to the repeal of DADT are always obsessed about the sexual aspect of homosexuality. 

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My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.

1. Collins
2. Snowe
3. Brown
4. Murkowski
5. Graham
6. Hatch
7. Paul

That's at least 7.

Paul won't actually be sworn in until January though, right?

Sorry, I was thinking next session, but they'd need more than 7 by that point.  But that list was just the first 7 that came to my mind.  I think there are more out there, those are just some that I'm nearly positive would vote for it.

Keep in ming next session it would require it to pass in the House again, and that sure as hell isn't going to happen.

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My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.

1. Collins
2. Snowe
3. Brown
4. Murkowski
5. Graham
6. Hatch
7. Paul

That's at least 7.

Paul won't actually be sworn in until January though, right?

Sorry, I was thinking next session, but they'd need more than 7 by that point.  But that list was just the first 7 that came to my mind.  I think there are more out there, those are just some that I'm nearly positive would vote for it.

Keep in ming next session it would require it to pass in the House again, and that sure as hell isn't going to happen.

There's enough moderates in the House, for sure for it to pass.

LMAO.   You really have no clue what has happened to your party do you??

Only FIVE Republicans in the House voted for the Repeal when Patrick Murphy introduced it, FIVE, two of them were Cao & Dijou who will no longer be in the House (Biggert, Paul & Ros-Lehtinen) were the other three. 

No way in hell does a repeal pass in the House next session.

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My prediction is at least 65-35 passage, if not 70-30 as a stand-alone bill.

65-35?  that's 7 out of 42 GOP Senators....no way.  every GOP member knows whoever votes for repeal of DADT will be primaried.  at most, you'll have 2-3 GOP defections.  The GOP is simply trying to stall until January, when there wont be a snow ball's chance of this passing.  They should be honest and state their opposition.

but, again, probably only half of the GOP Senators are social conservatives at heart.

1. Collins
2. Snowe
3. Brown
4. Murkowski
5. Graham
6. Hatch
7. Paul

That's at least 7.

Paul won't actually be sworn in until January though, right?

Sorry, I was thinking next session, but they'd need more than 7 by that point.  But that list was just the first 7 that came to my mind.  I think there are more out there, those are just some that I'm nearly positive would vote for it.

Keep in ming next session it would require it to pass in the House again, and that sure as hell isn't going to happen.

There's enough moderates in the House, for sure for it to pass.

Can we get over this myth of moderate Republicans?

So, what are Lisa Murkowski, Olympia Snowe, Scott Brown, and Susan Collins?

Collins and Snowe are generally moderates, but even they have lurched right of late.  Murkowski and Brown are more of a traditional conservative, they just seem moderate because how far to the extreme right the rest of the party has lurched.

Again when Patrick Murphy had the DADT Amendment only five Republicans in the House voted for the repeal (two of which will no longer be in the house), so what the hell makes you think that enough GOP House members will suddenly now cross and vote for it?   Where are these votes going to come from?

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Smash, much of the objection there was that that DoD's report had yet to come out.  Now that it's out, I think we'll see more Republicans vote for it.

At least another 22?  I doubt it.....

Not to mention as others have said, no way Boehner brings it to the floor.

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Smash, much of the objection there was that that DoD's report had yet to come out.  Now that it's out, I think we'll see more Republicans vote for it.

At least another 22?  I doubt it.....

Not to mention as others have said, no way Boehner brings it to the floor.

Now that the report is out, I see no reason for Boehner to object.

You really have no idea how far to the right the GOP has become....  The report won't mean a damn thing to Boehner or the vast majority of the GOP.   It has no chance of passing Congress unless it passes this session.  No way in hell does the Boehner or the GOP allow it

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Smash, much of the objection there was that that DoD's report had yet to come out.  Now that it's out, I think we'll see more Republicans vote for it.

At least another 22?  I doubt it.....

Not to mention as others have said, no way Boehner brings it to the floor.

Now that the report is out, I see no reason for Boehner to object.

You really have no idea how far to the right the GOP has become....  The report won't mean a damn thing to Boehner or the vast majority of the GOP.   It has no chance of passing Congress unless it passes this session.  No way in hell does the Boehner or the GOP allow it

The Republicans would block it simply because Obama and the Democrats support it.
Hell, if the Democrats passed a measure simply stating that the sky is blue, the Republicans would object to it and call it an anti-American, communist measure at this point.

"Well technically, if you would follow their environmental policy they would end up right"   Jon Stewart on the Republicans saying no to Obama that the ski was blue.