Some of you guys aren't right in the head.
Where does it stop though? Death? Outside of very violent and heinous crimes there is no justifiable reason to wish brutal violence on someone. You open the door to that and the threshold to violence becomes even lower.
IMO lethal (or what a reasonable person would expect to be lethal) should be the line. Currently, it generally isn't legal for a private citizen to use force on a shoplifter at all. I believe this is a mistake and ideally they should be allowed to use non-lethal force without liability.
