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DrScholl
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« on: January 22, 2020, 10:57:21 AM »

Can i as a foreigner donate to Sanders' campaign?

Not legally, but it's for the Great Bernie so the law doesn't matter. Go ahead and donate, it's for the greatest politician ever!
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 11:45:53 AM »

This isn't a one-day national primary. Black voters in the South are going to put a stop to this madness.

You love to see it. First, the narrative was... "If the primaries were all held on one day, Biden would crush." News flash: The early states are even more favorable to Bernie than the national environment. Not saying he wins the nomination, but leading nationally means he would very likely win 3/4 of the early contests. It doesn't benefit your candidate.

That might make sense if Biden wasn't up in polling in Iowa and close in New Hampshire. Besides, national polling is pretty much useless because Sanders is probably running up score in states with fewer delegates like he did in 2016.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 12:15:49 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him. Another Trump midterm in 2022 would allow Democrats to pick up more Senate seats anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 12:26:34 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him. Another Trump midterm in 2022 would allow Democrats to pick up more Senate seats anyway.

If I Keep Saying It It Must Be True!  screamed the moderate into the abyss...

Sanders would struggle to turn out black voters. Trump's Russian bot army is well prepared to flood social media with some of Sanders' more questionable statements on race and create doubt about him to keep black voters home.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 12:51:25 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him. Another Trump midterm in 2022 would allow Democrats to pick up more Senate seats anyway.

If I Keep Saying It It Must Be True!  screamed the moderate into the abyss...

Sanders would struggle to turn out black voters. Trump's Russian bot army is well prepared to flood social media with some of Sanders' more questionable statements on race and create doubt about him to keep black voters home.
Weird how Sanders' supposedly questionable statements on race never seem to materialize but will DEFINITELY cause him to lose support among black voters. And yet Biden's history of opposing busing, working with segregationists, and saying racially insensitive things never seems to matter.

Stay sweatin'.

When he lost primaries in the south last time he blamed it on the confederacy, he has said that class is a bigger issue than race and there is his overall lack of connection to black voters. Biden has his problems, but his connection to Obama more or less negates them.

The last three Democratic Presidents have been from states with a higher than average population, so they knew how to connect with black voters. But it really doesn't matter because Sanders won't become the nominee because he can't get enough of the black vote.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 01:11:39 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him. Another Trump midterm in 2022 would allow Democrats to pick up more Senate seats anyway.

Unfortunately, a big electoral defeat in 2020 would mean the GOP gets control of the House again.  Also, it means they win a lot of control at the state level, which will let them lock that control down with more gerrymandering.

We have to win this year, period.

Unfortunately that would probably be the consequences of Sanders being the nominee. If Democratic primary voters are stupid enough to nominate him then they are handing Trump another term.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2020, 01:22:51 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him.

There is making a case in good faith that Sanders is not the most electable candidate.

And then there is descending into absurdities.

Like I said, the last three Democratic Presidents were from states with higher than average African-American populations. The biggest losers were from states below the nationwide average.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 01:29:06 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him.

There is making a case in good faith that Sanders is not the most electable candidate.

And then there is descending into absurdities.

Like I said, the last three Democratic Presidents were from states with higher than average African-American populations. The biggest losers were from states below the nationwide average.

So, I guess Donald Trump is elected on a wave of afroamerican support from the state of New York

It's silly to make that comparison, because Republicans and Democrats have different winning coalitions. No Democrat can win the presidency without turning out black voters.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 01:35:15 PM »

Okay, I never thought I'd ever go to bat for Bernie the Egomaniac again, but seriously seriously seriously read the crosstabs. If this poll is to be believed, Sanders is beating Biden with nonwhite voters. Which is no huge surprise when you factor in the absurd s**t Biden has said about POC over the years.

I'm referring to black voters, not non-white voters as a whole. You should be intelligent enough to know that not all non-white voters vote the same in primaries. The black vote is quite clustered in the south and in a delegate game that makes a difference.

My point is about the general elections and the fact that Sanders' strategy is to try and win by winning back white working class voters. His team was talking about targeting the Dakotas and Oklahoma, which is absurd. He's not trying to win by running up black turnout in swing states, he's trying to win by winning over white voters in red states, which is utterly stupid.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 02:56:07 PM »

If Sanders get the nomination, then good luck to him beating Trump. He certainly won't be getting the votes of many African-American voters who have no attachment to him. Another Trump midterm in 2022 would allow Democrats to pick up more Senate seats anyway.
Unlike Hillary who swept the South and then utterly tanked in Cuyahoga County, Wayne County, Genesee County, and Philadelphia.

Clearly there was a black turnout problem in 2016 that went unnoticed, but there is no reason to thinking that black voters will be stampeding to the polls to support a candidate who thinks that it's not necessarily racist for a white person to be uncomfortable voting for a black candidate (that's what Sanders said about Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum).

Trying to reach black voters is considered identity politics anyway, so I wouldn't expect an anti-identity politics candidate to do any outreach to black voters. Sanders is more interested in West Virginia than urban areas.
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