Quebec General Election 2012 (4th September)

[RogueBeaver]

Agreed 1000%. This is why I'm not voting: no political party which represents my views.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/Quebec+right+falls+silent/5880543/story.html

[RogueBeaver]

Choice between three parties of the centre-left and one of the far left? (QS) What choice is that? Unless you're explicitly separatist like the PQ/QS I don't care about the nationalism so long as they're fiscally Blue . My dream is for a new ADQ to form with a good leader and team sometime in the next decade or so. A rightist Levesque, essentially.

[RogueBeaver]

They're more of a centre-right party. But heaven forbid a Tory vote for a party called the Liberals.  But then again, I don't blame anyone for not doing so.

First off, I'm not voting for crooks. Second, THEY ARE ALL OPERATING WITHIN THE ORANGE MODEL. You want my vote, you have to promise to begin its rollback and eventual replacement with a Blue Model.

Sorry if I sound pissed, but my refusal to vote Liberal has nothing to do with the party label. Read that NP article- the author puts it a lot better than I can.

[RogueBeaver]

Moving on, 4 MNAs (Caire, Picard, Charette, Rathee) have joined the CAQ. So now their caucus numbers 8.

[RogueBeaver]

my refusal to vote Liberal has nothing to do with the party label.

I think that goes without saying, my comment was more tongue in cheek.

Although to suggest they are operating within the "orange model" is ridiculous. That is if you are suggesting they are a social democratic party. They are not. Jean Charest is every bit a Red Tory, and you should know that.

Now if you want to talk about Red Tories and social democracy, I know someone who claims Danny Williams is a social democrat. But that's a different story.

I'm not saying they're social democrats. I'm saying they're of the containment rather than the rollback school.

[RogueBeaver]

*Facepalm*

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/gets+assist+from+Habs/5884884/story.html

[RogueBeaver]

*Facepalm*

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/gets+assist+from+Habs/5884884/story.html

This was being talked about on SportsCenter yesterday. I can imagine it must have been discussed at length on SportsCentre.

The PQ does this sort of anglo-bashing as red meat for their base. Usually Curzi is the one who does it, never Marois.

[RogueBeaver]

Hopefully this isn't a prelude to refighting the '07 election.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201112/20/01-4479611-oui-au-hijab-chez-les-agentes-correctionnelles.php


Charbonneau's mandate too broad?

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/338876/enquete-publique-sur-la-construction-un-mandat-trop-large

[RogueBeaver]

Hopefully we won't see more linguistic debates in the New Year.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201112/24/01-4480828-debat-linguistique-les-quebecois-se-reveillent-dit-louis-plamondon.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-quebecoise_559_section_POS1

Maybe, maybe not.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/339081/quebec-vers-la-fin-d-un-cycle-politique

[RogueBeaver]

Quebecers are as enamoured of provincial party membership as they are of federal membership, which is to say not very much.

[RogueBeaver]

Jennings said no last time this was mentioned, doubt she'll change her mind. This is my riding both provincially and federally, and she's the only one with a chance at unseating Weil.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/eyeing-anglo-coup-quebecs-new-party-courts-former-liberal-mp/article2292663/

[RogueBeaver]

Excellent choice, but 'tis still a middle finger to Charest.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/339656/l-ex-ministre-bellemare-serait-pressenti-comme-senateur

Looks like Jennings is seriously considering the offer.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201201/05/01-4483142-la-caq-courtise-marlene-jennings.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-quebecoise_559_section_POS4

[RogueBeaver]

Another Peq defector to CAQ: Francois Robello of La Prairie.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/legaults-caq-claims-another-parti-qubcois-defector/article2296694/

[RogueBeaver]

Mostly "a tragic necessity" if you read the best online barometer of Peq opinion: Le Devoir's comments section. Plus this article has his open letter. In a sentence: "I'm an etapiste on sovereignty, I like Legault's technocratic approach, and I hate that a Liberal government cowers before Ottawa."

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/339875/francois-rebello-passe-a-la-caq

[RogueBeaver]

PLQ is now at DefCon 3. One of two things: a false spike to throw the opposition off guard. Or, my suspicion that Charest wants the election out of the way before Charbonneau is correct.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201201/13/01-4485815-les-liberaux-en-mode-electoral.php

[RogueBeaver]

OK, I admit I ROFLed there.

On another note, a 3-way race is shaping up. Maybe Teddy or Hatman can try a projection for us?

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=5998836

[RogueBeaver]

More debates on sovereignty.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/340361/souverainete-debats-houleux-en-vue-sur-les-alliances

Beaudoin's crocodile tears.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/340290/la-derive-du-pq-attriste-aussi-louise-beaudoin

[RogueBeaver]

2007 all over again?

[RogueBeaver]

They won't have enough time to get organized, unlike their BC cousins. In the short run, total clusterfark. Medium-term you probably see more PQ than Liberal wins because of vote-splitting.

One thing's for certain: if Legault leaves after one term, then the CAQ will merge with the PCQ. A unified right-wing party would look like the ADQ (or Daniel Johnson's Unionists): moderately nationalist on The Issue and with very few non-Francophone supporters.

[RogueBeaver]

PLQ has always been centre-to-centre-left except for Charest's first year. Plus the intraparty nationalist/federalist balance would be tilted overwhelmingly in the nationalists' favour.

[RogueBeaver]

According to news, Duceppe is openly interested to PQ leadership, now.

He won't pull the trigger himself, still too gun-shy after what happened 5 years ago. But if he did, then the PQ has at least a 50-50 shot of winning.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201201/17/01-4486864-leadership-du-pq-duceppe-teste-ses-appuis.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-quebecoise_559_section_POS1

[RogueBeaver]

Agreed with Hashemite on the PCQ.

[RogueBeaver]

Marois wants a tactical alliance with QS. Embarrassing when you make overtures to splinter groups.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/340510/marois-vise-une-grande-coalition-souverainiste

[RogueBeaver]

The Beauce area seems ripe for some sort of right wing party. I suppose CAQ will win there though, and a Quebec Conservative party wouldn't appeal to them in the same way?

ROQ generally is ripe for the federal Tories, just as it was for Unionists in the old days. PCQ could do well in the Beauce, but only as a unified right-wing party headed by serious people. Which this isn't.

[RogueBeaver]

ROQ will be a tossup this time around, that's for sure. Montreal is solidly a duopoly with Pelquistes dominating.