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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« on: August 11, 2015, 08:59:13 PM »

Well 2015 been's the first election year I've actually followed (General Elections are the only ones that count IMO) and it's going to be pretty crap if we have Labour getting crushed at the may election losing their Shadow Chancellor and Foreign Secretary, and then going on to elect someone who is going to be the worse leader since well ever. 

Tony Blair resigns and is replaced by:

Gordon Brown who is more to the left of Blair... who goes on to lose... who is then replaced by:

Ed Miliband who is more to the left of Brown... who goes on to lose... who is then replaced by:

Jeremy Corbyn who is more to the left of Miliband... who goes on to...

You can guess the rest I think Wink

Obviously Brown was only very moderately more to the left of Blair but he was a more traditional tax and spend Labour right winger than "Third Way" Blair ever was.

I would only quibble with the Blair->Brown part.  I think even if Blair led LAB in 2010 LAB would still have lost, mostly likely by greater margins.  The internal civil war inside LAB if Blair stayed on would have guaranteed defeat no matter what.  Not that Brown taking over stopped Blairites and Brownites from snipping at each other. 

But Blair staying on would almost certainly have helped the Lib Dems the most (and due to tactical voting increases in the Lib Dem percentage mainly effect seats where they're one of the top two parties), so a Lib-Lab coalition might have ended up being possible.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,118
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2015, 01:50:52 PM »

I suspect the Lib Dems would've demanded Blair's departure (as they did Brown), yes.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,118
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2015, 02:30:19 PM »
« Edited: August 12, 2015, 02:34:46 PM by tpfkaw »

Of course, it's not exactly like Brown turned things around immediately; at Labour's nadir at the peak of the financial crisis in 2008, the Tories were touching 50% in the polls.  Which would've translated into a game of predicting which cabinet ministers in ultra-safe constituencies wouldn't lose their seats.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,118
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015, 05:27:41 PM »

Foot had already erased Labour's lead even prior to the Falklands war: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-1979-1983
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,118
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2015, 07:50:20 PM »

Foot had already erased Labour's lead even prior to the Falklands war: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-1979-1983

Nothing at all to do with the Limehouse declaration!

An event which of course happened for no reason and struck a nerve with the voters for no reason.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2015, 02:20:09 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2015, 02:21:41 PM by tpfkaw »


Oh, and Corbyn hosted him in Parliament, along with one of Hezbollah's leaders, in 2009.

The popcorn is rather tasty.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,118
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2015, 03:03:04 PM »

Anyway, M&C Saatchi are going to have their jobs made very easy this time around, what with a guy who's been kind enough to write their material for them.  Like, they could just shove off a run featuring the text of the speech where he demands Parliament observe a minute's silence for IRA terrorists.

And the campaign lines write themselves too:

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Best thing about that one is that it's not even hyperbole!

I'm certain the four-and-a-half-million doorstep conversations about what a fab idea it is to give the Falklands to the Argies are going to go spectacularly.

And we're not even getting into all the stuff around the people he'd put in his shadow cabinet...

Point is, speaking as someone who enjoys your politics for the entertainment value, it's gonna be hilarious when you guys are voting Tory to keep the Kippers out.
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