Sino-American entente

[GMantis]

Now, let's see. Who do the Chinese have to fear more?
On one side a country with a outdated millitary and a millitary budget of 40 billion, two-thirds of China's. This country has launched its first invasion in 20 years in a response to the invasion of a region inhabited mostly by Russian citizens, right next to its borders.
On the other side a country with the best military in the world (outclassing Russia in every respect), which is constantly being upgraded with a budget of 583 billion. This country has launched multiple invasion of countries situated thousands of kilometers away from their border, usually with far less satisfactory reasons than the Russian invasion of Georgia. They have military bases all over the world and they are the chief backers of a territory China considers their own.
Yeah, I'm certain it's the first one...

[GMantis]

On one side a country with a outdated millitary and a millitary budget of 40 billion, two-thirds of China's. This country has launched its first invasion in 20 years in a response to the invasion of a region inhabited mostly by Russian citizens, right next to its borders.

errr no Ossetia is 66% Osetian and 30% Georgian...all other groups total up to 5% (including Russians).  Abkhazia is even better, in 1990, before the Russians and Abkhazia killed 30,000 Georgians, Armenians and Greeks and forced another quarter of a million from their homes, it was mostly (46%) Georgian with less than 20% each of  Armenians, Abkhazians and Greeks.  Even today there are twice as many Georgians as Russians.

I meant Russian citizens, not Russians. There was also the matter of the peacekeepers.

On the other side a country with the best military in the world (outclassing Russia in every respect), which is constantly being upgraded with a budget of 583 billion. This country has launched multiple invasion of countries situated thousands of kilometers away from their border, usually with far less satisfactory reasons than the Russian invasion of Georgia.

I'll give you Iraq, but we didn't have a good reason to invade Afghanastan?  Kuwait?

How about the the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999? You may not remember, but the Chinese embassy was destroyed during the bombardment, "accidentaly" of course.

[GMantis]

I meant Russian citizens, not Russians.

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Were you being ironic when you said "peacekeepers"?  You really should have put that in quotes.  Or are you so blinded by bias that you think they really were there to keep the peace?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9850
I wasn't ironic. They were there officially as peacekeepers. It's not as if they could do much more, considering how lightly they were equiped. And Georgia's disagreement with their role dosn't permit it to massacre them.

[GMantis]

That link doesn't say what you claim it says (unless I missed it, if I did, feel free to point it out).

But honestly, your obvious hatred of America and her allies makes it seem like debating you on this is kind of pointless.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:YvkrRBbiK54J:www.globalresearch.ca/index.php%3Fcontext%3Dva%26aid%3D9850+Russian+citizens+ossetia+majority&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=opera
Look for the red marked word majority.
And you're not debating me. You're nitpicking and giving out insults.
I've given you a comparison between the capabilities and actions of the US and Russia and which would seem more dangerous to China and you've said nothing substantial to refute it.
I hate the American government, I try not hold it against Americans.
And I don't hate the American allies (my own country is after all a slavishly loyal American ally), but I can't stand those who imitate the US behaviour.

[GMantis]

And you're not debating me. You're nitpicking and giving out insults.
I've given you a comparison between the capabilities and actions of the US and Russia and which would seem more dangerous to China and you've said nothing substantial to refute it.

I'm pretty sure I did point out that some of our recent "acts of aggression" had very good and legit reasons.  I agree with you that America has a much better military than the Russians, that is clear.  What I don't agree with is that's clear that the US and her allies are a bigger threat to China than Russia is.  We certainly aren't historically, where as Russia and China have had issues for a century.  Some of our closer allies (Japan and Taiwan specifically) have some deep issues with the PRC of course, but I don't see how you can think we're in the wrong in defending those places of freedom against the obviously unfree Chinese.  We may very well be a bigger threat to the PRC in 2008 when compared to Russia in 2008, but that doesn't mean we're doing anything wrong.

But a lot them seemed to have been for poor reasons or for the furtherance of the US interests.
History always gives good insight, but it mustn't be abused. The fact that Russia and China had bad relations in the past doesn't mean that they do today. Their relations have been improving for 20 years, while China's with the US have worsened. And the US also did have historically recent issues with China - the Korean war.
I'm not defending China here or saying that it's wrong for the US to back Taiwan. What I'm saying is that makes little sense for China to see the US as a greater threat when the United States on top having a far stronger army have bases close to China and back Taiwan.

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Like Russians invading Georgia?

I agree, the American Govt is often very very wrong, but the Russian and Chinese govts are substantially worse in every aspect.
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No, Russia doesn't imitate the US. If they imitated them, the Russian ground troops would remain in Russia, while their air force would systematically destroy all military and most civilian infrastructures. This would continue until the Georgians gave in and surrendered. Alternatively, the Russians would march in after there was practically nothing left to stop their invasion, completely occupy Georgia and leave when the job was done.

[GMantis]

Watch and see if China and the United States don't engage in closer relations as a result of the depredations of Russia in Georgia.

Ha, ha, ha, haaa. Ha. Ha. Ha... ho-ho-hee-hee, hee-ha... and I thought my jokes were bad.

This could work - if the US media is China's only source of information.