Flynt Ready to Implicate Another Senator

[Wakie]

I must admit I find this terribly entertaining because sexual hypocrisy is the best kind.  But I'll be honest here, I don't really have a problem with someone going to a hooker.  If it is cheating on their spouse then I think it is wrong.  If the hooker is being forced into the act or is under the age of 18 then I think it is wrong.  But otherwise I have to say I think it is kinda silly that prostituition remains illegal.  Wouldn't it just be better to legalize it, tax it, and regulate it?

The dangerous side of this Washington sex scandal is that a lot of the people involved here most likely have security clearances.  How hard would it be to blackmail them?  Doesn't that inherently present a national security threat?

[Wakie]

Ok, here's my top 8 list of potential folks:

*Clarence Thomas
*Ted Kennedy
*Jim Bunning
*Marion Berry (the former Mayor, not the Congressman)
*Scott McClellan
*Ron Klink
*Zell Miller
*Paul Wolfowitz

[Wakie]

*Marion Berry (the former Mayor, not the Congressman)

How would that be news worthy?

I just want to hear him say "the b*tch set me up" again.

[Wakie]

Ok, here's my top 8 list of potential folks:

*Clarence Thomas

*Marion Berry (the former Mayor, not the Congressman)
*Scott McClellan
*Ron Klink
*Zell Miller
*Paul Wolfowitz

Maybe you didn't get the memo about this being another Senator.


And who the hell cares about Ron Klink?

Actually as I understand it there are multiple individuals, including at least one person in the executive branch.  As for Ron Klink ... well, no one cares about him but I'll be honest, I didn't like him 6 years ago (I always felt his candidacy was a wasted opportunity to boot Santorum earlier).

[Wakie]

Eh, I wouldn't care all that much, to be honest with you. We could just beat them in a few years. I just want Casey, Jr's career to be finished. He is a disgrace, a sell out, etc.

I like that you are not at all bitter about the 2006 election.

I also like how willing you are to give the man a chance because, 7 months in Congress is certainly enough time to form an opinion of his performance, right?

[Wakie]

Yes, I am bitter. I'm going to act just like people like yourself acted towards Santorum - I'll constantly be on Casey's case.

I had nothing against Santorum in 1994 when he was first elected.  In 2001 I actually said I would give George W Bush 2 years to prove himself to me.  But hey, if you want to go with closed mindedness then no one is going to change your mind.

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Oh I agree that he would most likely prefer to be Governor, but I'd rather have him as my Senator instead of Santorum.  Look, would you rather have Dennis Kucinich as your rep or a bland Republican?

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The phone records go back to the 90s.  I was just listing some folks who I find to be likely and personally entertaining.

[Wakie]

Oh I agree that he would most likely prefer to be Governor, but I'd rather have him as my Senator instead of Santorum.  Look, would you rather have Dennis Kucinich as your rep or a bland Republican?

The bland Republican. But please remember that Casey isn't just a "bland" Dem. He's a sell out who did many other things to aggrivate some of us. I can understand why you don't mind him but understand where I am coming from. I love how he doesn't even want the job but let his campaign totally beat up on Santorum and his family. Very classy.

We Democrats view Casey as a bland Democrat and Santorum was as an extremist (the same way you Republicans view Kucinich as an extremist).  Calling Casey a "sellout" is just sour grapes.  He is and always has been a Democrat.

Now as for family beatings ... how the heck can you possibly fail to remember the 1988 attacks on Dukakis's wife?  Or the ENDLESS attacks on the Clintons in the 90's?  Maybe you remember Rush Limbaugh making fun of a then 13-y/o Chelsea Clinton's looks on his national tv show.  Or maybe the W Bush's push poll attack on John McCain and his family comes to mind.  Or maybe the blatant attacks on Theresa Heinz-Kerry come to mind?  If you want to complain about classy campaigning you really should look for it to come from your party first.  Otherwise, SHUT UP AND TAKE IT because what goes around comes around.

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How would Klink be likely?
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I thought Klink was busted back in 2002 in a prostituition sting in Pittsburgh.

[Wakie]

Phil, I never realized you're only 19.  Sometimes I forget about the youth of a lot of the Republicans on this board.  Not that I'm that much older, but it explains why you guys don't remember how some of the current nastiness in Washington got it origins.

Here's your fyi ... during the 1988 Presidential campaign Lee Atwater (the Godfather of dirty politics) pulled out every stop.  The Republicans frequently charged that Kitty Dukakis was a drunk.  They planted stories and unabashedly used everything they could to attack the poor woman.

Now, as for Santorum's family being "harassed", that is ridiculous.  Their "Penn Hills Residence" is not their residence (as evidenced by the fact that THEY DON'T LIVE THERE ... not then, not now).  So it is impossible to harass his family if they aren't there.

Casey Sr wasn't "attacked" by other Dems.  Yes, he was a leader of the pro-life arm of the party and was once denied the opportunity to speak at the national convention, but that do you think the Republican party would allow a "pro-choice" Republican Governor to speak at their convention???  No one "tried to destroy" Casey Sr.  Where did you get that one?

No on to Theresa Heinz-Kerry.  She was no more outspoken than Barbara Bush was.  Back in '84 Barbara Bush went as far as calling Geraldine Ferraro a b*tch.  But the Dems never directly attacked her or any wife of a candidate.  I promise you that in 2008 the wife of the Republican candidate WILL NOT be immune from such attacks (because the GOP couldn't stay off in 2004).

[Wakie]

Here's your fyi ... during the 1988 Presidential campaign Lee Atwater (the Godfather of dirty politics) pulled out every stop.  The Republicans frequently charged that Kitty Dukakis was a drunk.  They planted stories and unabashedly used everything they could to attack the poor woman.

And, if true, I would be disgusted with the campaign for doing so.

If you doubt me, go do your own research.

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Except the family was there that weekend. [/quote]

Ok, so "harassment" is, by your definition, someone creeping around your vacation home 1 weekend.  Wow ... and somehow Casey couldn't stop this pattern of harassment.

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It goes far beyond the Pro Life movement but I guess you forgot about that. They have literally tried to silence him on several occassions. And let's not act like the fact that he was denied a speaking spot because he was Pro Life is no big deal.[/quote]

Phil, you're 19.  Do you even remember when Casey was governor?  You were 7 when he left office.  Can you give an example of how he was "silenced"?  And national conventions are carefully constructed events in the modern era which are intended to rally the base.  So you think someone not being allowed to speak at a convention should result in a generational grudge?  Come on.

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Bush calling Ferrero a b--ch is not as much as Heinz's antics in 2004. That woman wanted the controversy.
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No, Theresa was targeted by the GOP.  Admittedly she made some bad statements, but for every stupid statement she made I can name one made by Barbara Bush.  And her attacks weren't just limited to Democrats.  She famously detested Nancy Reagan and was outspoken about it even when Nancy was First Lady.

[Wakie]

Ok, so "harassment" is, by your definition, someone creeping around your vacation home 1 weekend.  Wow ... and somehow Casey couldn't stop this pattern of harassment.

Ah, vacation home. Very cute. Anyway, yes, I would consider that harassment.

Yes, vacation home.  They spent the majority of their time in their Leesburg house.  They still reside in their Leesburg house.  So, yeah, calling it a vacation home is a nice way of putting it.  Especially considering that mail sent to it was returned "no such person at this address".

And if someone creeping around a house one weekend is harassment you must think there is A LOT of harassment in this world.

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Just because I wasn't around doesn't mean I can't know these things. Do you remember when Lincoln was President, Wakie? You were how old when he took/left office?[/quote]

When I mentioned the 1988 Presidential Election you argued you were too young to remember it.

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1 gay rights group doesn't speak for the entire party.  The fact that the Dem position on abortion was Pro-Choice is no surprise.  When a Republican disagrees with the party on a central issue they face stiff opposition.  But you claim he was "silenced" when it was nothing of the sort.

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Actually I have responded point by point to your arguments Phil.  Can you name one speaker at the Republican convention who was allowed to give a speech on abortion rights?  That was what Casey wanted to speak about.  And, at that time, Casey hadn't endorsed the nominee, Bill Clinton, as a candidate.  Can you imagine a non-Bush supporter speaking at the 2000 or 2004 GOP conventions?

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I know that Barbara Bush has had her comments but they were nothing compared to Heinz's remarks. I guess we just won't see eye to eye on this.
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I guess we won't see eye to eye on this point.  Heinz's comments were "you're putting words in my mouth" or saying things like Laura Bush is nice but "never had a real job" (a statement for which she apologized).  Whereas Barbara Bush has nastily and publicly insulted people with obscene language or said she doesn't think she needs to hear about dead soldiers or even gone so far as to insist on special favors for her other children's companies in order for her to participate in charity work.

[Wakie]

And if someone creeping around a house one weekend is harassment you must think there is A LOT of harassment in this world.

If they are creeping around and peering into the house while the family was there that weekend? Yes, that is harassment.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

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Yes, I asked you to let me know of some campaign specifics, about things we don't usually read about. I can and have read up on Casey's time as Governor so I do know things about his time in office.
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The Atwater attacks regarding Kitty Dukakis were continuous.  But consider this, the GOP also attacked Hillary Clinton, Tipper Gore, and Theresa Heinz Kerry.

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What do you mean it was "nothing of the sort?" He was refused a speaking role at the convention. Republicans that speak out against the majority of the party on an issue do face stiff opposition and that is healthy. However, I don't recall calling for them to be silenced at our convention. I'm not making the argument that it is a surprise that the Dems are Pro Choice. Now you're just pulling things out of the sky. My argument was that it was wrong to silence a man because he had a different position on the abortion issue.[/quote]

I've never said you are arguing that the Dems aren't pro-choice.  All I'm saying is that just because someone wants to speak at a convention doesn't mean that they are guaranteed the right to speak there.  I guess this is again one of those issues where we agree to disagree.

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He should have still been able to speak on the issue whether he endorsed Clinton or not. We have had divided conventions before.

I can't think of a situation when a Republican was allowed to speak about abortion rights at the convention yet I also don't recall a situation in which anyone was denied a speaking slot on the issue.
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And yet you argue that they would be allowed?  Come on, you're being naive.

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And Heinz wasn't nasty? Telling a reporter to "shove it" wasn't mean spiritied and publicly done?
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Well, I guess you have to decide which is better ... telling an obnoxious reporter to "shove it" or to publicly use obscenities to describe another public figure.  The Dems left Barbara alone.  The Republicans went after the family.