Never Forgive, Never Forget

[Wakie]

You're kidding me, right?  Ok, lets review the case and your arguments.

First, the ATF determined that they wanted to raid the BD compound.  Arguments can be made as to whether or not such a raid was justified.  But a federal judge authorized the raid and signed the warrants.  That is how the process works in this country.

Second, once the ATF agents began the raid members of the BD's fired on them.  A 45 minute gun battle ensued.  45 minutes.  That is MORE than enough time for the BD's to realize that the people they are battling are federal agents with warrants.

Third, your article claims "infrared evidence" shows the FBI used incendiary devices.  Sorry, we're going to need a source to go with that one.


Now lets change this scenario a little.  Instead of a "Christian" cult lets make them Muslims.  And lets change the date of the events to today.  So, federal agents raid a heavily armed Muslim compound to serve warrants and a 45 minute gun battle ensues.  Eventually there is the fire, the compound burns, and many die.  Do hardcore right wingers come out screaming and calling for Alberto Gonzales's head the way they did Janet Reno's?  Or do they call it justifiable actions in the War on Terror?

[Wakie]

You're kidding me, right?  Ok, lets review the case and your arguments.

First, the ATF determined that they wanted to raid the BD compound.  Arguments can be made as to whether or not such a raid was justified.  But a federal judge authorized the raid and signed the warrants.  That is how the process works in this country.

A federal judge will sign a warrant for anything. You have not addressed the issues raised as to the necessity of the raid.

So all warrants are invalidated because it is not extremely challenging to obtain one?  Sorry, but the cops come banging at my door with a warrant (especially if I knew they were looking into me the way the BD's knew as evidenced by your statement that Koresh had spoken to them before) then I DO NOT have the right to start shooting at them.

And as to whether or not the raid was necessary ... I can honestly say I do not know.  But I do know that apparently someone whose job it is to expertly review this sort of thing felt there was reasonable cause.  Does that mean they were right?  No.  But then again hindsight is 20/20 (ala Iraq).

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Strawmen. You obviously don't know much about me.
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You propped up the strawman in the beginning.  I just changed his religion.