Well, this was supposed to be my response in my other thread, but...

[Wakie]

Deano is absolutely right.  The sexuality of an individual staffer wouldn't even be page 10 material.  No one would care.  And for Soulty to argue earlier that it "ended my friend's career" is ridiculous.  As he himself points out, the Senator didn't care.

Soulty, get off your cross.  If you can't handle defeat don't go into politics because you don't have the skin for it.

Lee Atwater and Karl Rove have made an artform of dirty tricks.  Now you're upset about things like a list of names and a bus?!?!  You're acting like someone went on tv and called Santorum's 13 yr old daughter a dog.  Oh wait, that was Rush Limbaugh.

[Wakie]

Soulty, I've never particularly liked you either.  3 comments you really need to take to heart.

1. If your friend can't get elected in Erie then perhaps he should move somewhere where being a gay Republican isn't a death sentence.  These places do exist.  To be quite honest with you, this is perhaps the best thing that could have happened to him.  There is nothing that voters hate more than finding out that something is being hidden from them.

2. You never seemed to have any problem with George Bush or any other Karl Rove candidate being in office, so why do you have a problem when the Casey camp use some of those tactics?  I remember you loving MarkDel's stories of Lee Atwater's tactics.  Now you have been on the short end of that stick and you don't like it.  Rather hypocritical, wouldn't you agree?  No no ... wait ... you're a hard right Republican ... you refuse to accept hypocrisy charges.

3. Santorum equated homosexuality with bestiality.  So either he was just throwing raw meat to his base or he would have no problem with someone screwing a poodle on his staff.  Which do you think it is?

[Wakie]

Can someone explain the point of this thread? Specifically who the gay is?

After the election Soulty posted a rather angry tirade which included things such as 'f*** Casey and his team'.  He rambled on and cursed out anyone who worked for Casey.  Then he alleged that the Casey camp employed dirty tricks and put some friend of his who apparently worked for the Santorum campaign in Erie on a list of gay Republican staffers.

Now Soulty says his friend is gay and that Santorum was aware of it and didn't care.  But he has also said that being on this list has somehow ended his friend's career.

The original thread was conveniently deleted.

[Wakie]

Ahh .... the lovely irony of this posting is delicious.  At once Mark sings the praises of Lee Atwater for engaging in dirty politics but criticizes Democrats for engaging in them.  Hypocritical?  Absolutely.  Either you condemn this behavior universally or you condone it universally.

Are push polls dirty?  I'd say so.  Are personal shots taken at a candidates under-18 child dirty?  I'd say so.  Is it dirty to jam the telephone lines of your opposition?  I'd say so.  Republicans did all of these.

Is it dirty to create a list of gay staffers?  Yes.  But then again it is also dirty to publicly condemn homosexuality yet have a homosexual on your staff.


Funny that in one paragraph Mark argues that

"ideologues in their party are so utterly convinced that they are right and that our side is either stupid or evil, that they can rationalize ANY behavior no matter how despicable"

but in the very next one says

"isolate yourself as much as possible from the influence of the Left Wing thought police who will try to brainwash your children into being good little socialists."

In other words, according to Mark, Democrats are so ridiculous because they refuse to recognize that Republicans could be well-intentioned and perhaps have a good idea.  But yet Democrats are also evil and stupid.  Hypocritical?  I'd say so.


But remember, I'm the bad guy.  I'm evil.  I'm not decent and honourable like the young man who came here the day after losing an election and posted a foul-mouthed tirade.  Ok, right.