I'm back on the Kerry bandwagon

[Wakie]

I'm happy to have you back MiamiU.  I stayed quiet before respecting your decision but I'm much happier to have you voting with us.

[Wakie]

Then Kerry came home and threw his medals in the dirt and basically spit on the Vietnam Vets. What a hero.

He IS a Vietnam Vet.  So you think he spit on himself??  John McCain (the most prominent Republican Vietnam Vet) has publicly referred to Kerry as a friend and even said he would consider taking a VP nom if Kerry offered it.

I'll trust the Vets who actually know the man before I'll trust the GOP spin machine.

[Wakie]

I know, it's silly, but I dug up this old Kerry quote:

"How can you ask another man to die in Vietnam?  How can you ask another man to die for a mistake?  How can you ask a man to die, so President Nixon, and these are his own words, isn't the first president to lose a war?"  -John Kerry, 1971

Vietnam was Nixon's war to lose?  Please.

Actually Nixon said, "I'm not going to be the first American president to lose a war."  Oct, 1969.  Kerry was paraphrasing what Nixon said.

[Wakie]

Have you read his testimony before Congress in 1971? It will open your eyes up. References to soldiers being mostly in it for "rape, pillage and plundering" and that it was "well known and often approved of by officers". Yes I am very proud of his "service".

It seems we always come back to this argument.  Are you saying that these things did not happen?  It is well documented that they did and with the full knowledge of superior officers.  Not every soldier did it, but some did.  It is one of the sad by products of war.  Some men act in ways they would otherwise not be able to imagine themselves acting.

[Wakie]

I know, it's silly, but I dug up this old Kerry quote:

"How can you ask another man to die in Vietnam?  How can you ask another man to die for a mistake?  How can you ask a man to die, so President Nixon, and these are his own words, isn't the first president to lose a war?"  -John Kerry, 1971

Vietnam was Nixon's war to lose?  Please.

Actually Nixon said, "I'm not going to be the first American president to lose a war."  Oct, 1969.  Kerry was paraphrasing what Nixon said.

Their is nothing wrong with that comment. He was trying his damndest not to get defeated and thats OK in my book.

In other words, you would be ok with being asked to die NOT for a just cause ... but just because the commander-in-chief's ego can't take losing?  You would be willing to sacrifice your best friend, your brother, or your son?

[Wakie]

"My nation, right or wrong." -Patrick Henry said that I believe.

2 thoughts on that ....

1) So the German citizens who didn't oppose the Nazi's can't be blamed ... right?

2) Nation and President are 2 seperate things.

[Wakie]

1) Well we're just going to have to disagree on that one because to me "everyone's doing it" isn't an excuse.

2) President and nation are 2 seperate things.  I can love America and disagree with the President.  Ask the Republicans who disagreed so strongly with Clinton during the '90s.

[Wakie]

All those nice Jewish people wanted to live in the Ghetto, right?  And then they all moved East, right?

[Wakie]

Arguing has been fun but I need to grab some food.