Pennsylvania Democratic Party hacked, data destroyed

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

It's open season on Americans, folks. In Trump's America, there are no borders - foreigners can attack us with impunity.

In cyberwarfare it's been open season before Trump. The actors have been doing this -- they're just hitting more high profile targets.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

It's open season on Americans, folks. In Trump's America, there are no borders - foreigners can attack us with impunity.

In cyberwarfare it's been open season before Trump. The actors have been doing this -- they're just hitting more high profile targets.

When North Korea hacked Sony, Obama retaliated hard, and the hacks stopped. When China hacked OPM (never proven, btw) Obama brought it up with Xi Jinping and forced an agreement after which hacks plummetted. The Russian hacking isn't stopping because Trump isn't defending America, since they are attacking his domestic enemies. He's put a foreign military over a domestic opposition.

That assumes that economic sanctions/trade punishments can hurt Russia just as much as China or NK, and Ukraine and Syria showed that they're not as effective due to European trade concerns.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

It's open season on Americans, folks. In Trump's America, there are no borders - foreigners can attack us with impunity.

In cyberwarfare it's been open season before Trump. The actors have been doing this -- they're just hitting more high profile targets.

When North Korea hacked Sony, Obama retaliated hard, and the hacks stopped. When China hacked OPM (never proven, btw) Obama brought it up with Xi Jinping and forced an agreement after which hacks plummetted. The Russian hacking isn't stopping because Trump isn't defending America, since they are attacking his domestic enemies. He's put a foreign military over a domestic opposition.

That assumes that economic sanctions/trade punishments can hurt Russia just as much as China or NK, which Ukraine and Syria showed that they're not as effective due to European trade concerns.

Sanctions can certainly hurt Russia far more than NK, which is already an impoverished state that trades mainly with China. And Russian stocks plunged when Trump didn't immediately lift sanctions.

Again, Putin has shown no will to change his policy even in the face of economic ruin. And we can't hurt them hard enough to actually make them bite because they can still cut off the fuel supplies that Europe needs. 

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

It's open season on Americans, folks. In Trump's America, there are no borders - foreigners can attack us with impunity.

In cyberwarfare it's been open season before Trump. The actors have been doing this -- they're just hitting more high profile targets.

When North Korea hacked Sony, Obama retaliated hard, and the hacks stopped. When China hacked OPM (never proven, btw) Obama brought it up with Xi Jinping and forced an agreement after which hacks plummetted. The Russian hacking isn't stopping because Trump isn't defending America, since they are attacking his domestic enemies. He's put a foreign military over a domestic opposition.

That assumes that economic sanctions/trade punishments can hurt Russia just as much as China or NK, which Ukraine and Syria showed that they're not as effective due to European trade concerns.

Sanctions can certainly hurt Russia far more than NK, which is already an impoverished state that trades mainly with China. And Russian stocks plunged when Trump didn't immediately lift sanctions.

Again, Putin has shown no will to change his policy even in the face of economic ruin. And we can't hurt them hard enough to actually make them bite because they can still cut off the fuel supplies that Europe needs. 

So we just unilaterally disarm and just let ourselves be hacked into perpetuity? The point of a government is a defense of its people. Obama could have said, "the Chines could sell our bonds, so we can't do anything," but instead he stood up for America. At what point will the West be willing to stand up to Putin? How long must this go on?

Well on the short term I would hit them hard with the NSA's TAO squad or I guess whatever our foreign intelligence equivalent would be. Sanctions are good but they can only be part of the response. Long-term finding a way to wean Europe off of Russian oil is probably good, or at least wait until after the next wave of elections so soaring oil prices don't affect domestic elections in Europe and give advantages to people like Le Pen.