SENATE BILL: Reduction of Registration Requirements Amendment (Pass to Regions)

[Junkie]

If I may step in, as it was my idea that caused the confusion.  Here is the way I see it: there will be no more confusion than there already is.  Currently, someone needs to check at every election to make sure that voters have the right number of posts before every election.  People who miss are eventually dropped out.

As, if I am not mistaken, Kal's voter deletion act will require tracking of votes and their preservation, there will a record of the votes.

By letting people join Atlasia (I would propose without restrictions) but then requiring a certain number of posts before voting, you are actually getting them involved.  Thus, new people will be able to join a party, voice opinions, whatever...they are actually getting their posts and learning the system.  This will help them make informed decisions when it comes time for voting.  It took me some time to figure who was who and who stood for what.

It just seems win win for me.  No 'see ya kid come back in 50 posts" but at the same time, still using the requirements we have in place to prevent a wave in zombie voting (which by the way will never go away...you can't defeat it, you can only hope to contain it)

[Junkie]

I guess the best answer I've seen so far is telling someone they can't register hurts their feelings. Maybe I'm just out of touch with the younger generation, but would that really deter someone from participating in threads? At least that is an attempt to provide me with an answer. Thanks, Junkie.

Well, I would say it is a little bit more than just hurt feelings, but what do I know.  I fairly old so I know less than you about the younger generation.  Consider this:

1.) Over on my campaign post I detailed every registration since December 2010.  Ten individuals attempted to register but did not have enough posts.  Only four of them (40%) attempted again when they had the right number.  If that trend continues, that could be a lot potential posters that for some reason decide not to come back.


2.) I remember a number of people having some concerns when Agooji came back.  If I remember his apology correctly, part of what turned him in the first place were the strict rules.  It is possible that a "come back later" could have the same effect and lead to the next Hamilton who wants to stick to the "old guys"

3.) Just take a look at the boards within Atlasia.  Look at all the bickering, fighting, name calling that occurs when people change parties or even, and this one I still don't understand, change colors in the wiki.  We have seem many petty fights by established posters, why are we expecting new hopeful citizens to exhibit more self control and maturity than the vast majority of us here.

4.)  This is meant to be, or least shuld be, an open forum where we get to debate philsophy and politics by way of angaging election/government simulation game.  All strict rules does is take away from that concept.  Trying to stop the next Hamilton only increases the odd that you drive away the next Purple State, Yankee, Antonio, Dallas, or dare I say it Duke.

[Junkie]

Marokai, I am listening.  I agree, the point is we need to keep people active in the game.  I just don't believe that having a registration requirement assists in that at all.  In my opinion, it may only serve to discourage.

In terms of your question of whether they would have been active if we had let them in, we will never know one way or another.  My point is that is we allow them to register and then get their voting requirement within in the game, we are working in activity in the game.

Last week, went to a club.  They would not let me in because I was wearing gym shoes.  I said f that and never went back.  Does that mean that if they had let me in I would have loved it, who knows.  But one thing it does mean is that I will never go there.

You are right, all of this for naught if we cannot keep people active and having fun and discussing the issues.  However, Bgwah is right as well, our current laws did not keep Hamilton from wrecking havoc (or others before him).  Hell, he still can get sock accounts in (as he has within the last year if I remember correctly) and work with others legally in the game to create drama.

We need new people and old people to want to stay.  I believe my proposal is only piece of the puzzle.  It gets new people in, forces them to be active to vote, and hoefully (if we are not all dicks) gets them to like it enough to stay.  Then, comes the issue of keeping them.

[Junkie]

I agree with you on pre-registration. The cost far outweigh the benefits in this case.

I have been wondering about that.  Here are my thoughts.  Currently, we have a requirement that each voter must have posted I believe 25 votes in order for their votes to count in the election.  I think Kal's deletion bill also has screenshots.  All that would need to be done is to make sure that the voter has 75 votes (or whatever you decide) to vote.

It does get more complicated if you have some sort of registration limit, but if you allow everyone to register right away and just make it a vote count, it should not be that hard.  Other compilations due get to be a little more complicated.