What are your thoughts about Uneducated voters for Obama or Romney?

[milhouse24]

Since most of us have talked to extended family members during the turkey day celebrations, did anyone encounter any relatives who were previously disinterested in politics or current events, but suddenly became very interested in voting for Obama? 

I spoke with my cousin, and she was upset that I didn't vote for Obama so I asked her why didn't she want to vote for Romney, and she just replied "I just didn't like him (Romney)," without offering any specifics about why Romney was "bad" and Obama was "good for the country."  Now this girl has no interest in current events or politics and is in her late 20's.  I've tried to talk to her about current events or politics in the past, and she has no knowledge or interest in reading a daily newspaper.  She's a graduate art student, so that is her sphere of knowledge.

Obama won because he succeeded in "Turning out uneducated first-time voters who were young and/or minorities."  His campaign staff, made it important to "vote" even if that voter had a very limited education of political policies or issues.  While I support every American's right to vote, I would rather Americans have an educated voter turnout. 

I feel that Obama's reliance on "First time voters" does a disservice to the election process if those "first time voters" are uneducated about political issues, but are voting specifically for Obama based on "pop-media societal peer pressure for a cult of personality."  They vote for Obama because he is "handsome and has a warm personality for cultural acceptance."

I don't think any other Politician now or in the future can inspire such political participation from the uneducated masses.  Obama is a "massive media celebrity" that likely will never be duplicated.  No other politicians in the past: Reagan, Carter, Clinton, or Dubya have ever inspired "first time voters" to "go out and vote." 

Has anyone else encountered Ditzy Uneducated Obama or Romney voters that vote based on personality or superficial reasons?

[milhouse24]

Since most of us have talked to extended family members during the turkey day celebrations, did anyone encounter any relatives who were previously disinterested in politics or current events, but suddenly became very interested in voting for Obama? 

I spoke with my cousin, and she was upset that I didn't vote for Obama so I asked her why didn't she want to vote for Romney, and she just replied "I just didn't like him (Romney)," without offering any specifics about why Romney was "bad" and Obama was "good for the country."  Now this girl has no interest in current events or politics and is in her late 20's.  I've tried to talk to her about current events or politics in the past, and she has no knowledge or interest in reading a daily newspaper.  She's a graduate art student, so that is her sphere of knowledge.

Obama won because he succeeded in "Turning out uneducated first-time voters who were young and/or minorities."  His campaign staff, made it important to "vote" even if that voter had a very limited education of political policies or issues.  While I support every American's right to vote, I would rather Americans have an educated voter turnout. 

I feel that Obama's reliance on "First time voters" does a disservice to the election process if those "first time voters" are uneducated about political issues, but are voting specifically for Obama based on "pop-media societal peer pressure for a cult of personality."  They vote for Obama because he is "handsome and has a warm personality for cultural acceptance."

I don't think any other Politician now or in the future can inspire such political participation from the uneducated masses.  Obama is a "massive media celebrity" that likely will never be duplicated.  No other politicians in the past: Reagan, Carter, Clinton, or Dubya have ever inspired "first time voters" to "go out and vote." 

Has anyone else encountered Ditzy Uneducated Obama or Romney voters that vote based on personality or superficial reasons?

The most uneducated Obama voter is smarter than you.

Wow, thanks for the personal attack.  Just go Ban yourself you hack troll.

[milhouse24]

The overwhelming majority of voters are uninformed and vote based on poorly defined perceptions. This is news to you?

That just means we have "Survival of the Dumbest" with the country being run by the politician who can captivate the casual American Idol/Facebook voter, without running on issues.  I suppose that would explain why this country is run by Idiots, since we have the majority of voters as Idiots. 

[milhouse24]

I live in Georgia. Pretty much every Romney voter I talked to was "ditzy" as you say. They basically spoke in dumb platitudes about Romney saving the country from Obama's socialist agenda. You see, in Georgia, white people get pulled into the GOP column pretty easily without needing to put much emphasis on actual policy.

I think you're frustrated because you live in Rhode Island and most casual voters go for Democrats without giving it much thought. Well, it's equally frustrating for a Democrat in the south to see people vote Republican in the same way.

At least those people can equate Tax policy and Social programs to a "Socialist agenda" 

I'm talking about superficial reasons such as skin color, or handsome-ness, or "promoting a warm multi-cultural feeling." 

Obama's the only politician who has accomplished the least, while winning campaigns based on "good feelings" and "vague terms of hope and change." 

I have to hand it to him, there has never been any man who has won the Presidency while accomplishing very little.  Of course the opposite of Bush's "activist foreign wars" is an "inactive presidency."  So in that sense, voters actually wanted Obama to do less, and accomplish nothing. 

[milhouse24]

What I think about them is simple: they are the worst kind of voters you will ever see. They vote mainly because their friends or family is voting for so-and-so. They vote because they are tired of the "get out and vote" campaigns, so when they really don't want to, are peer pressured to do so. I think everyone should get to some extent knowledge of politics or government, since we are living in a Republic that requires well informed voters for it to work. When we have these kinds of people voting, it hurts.

Do you think the Democrats rely on these "uneducated casual voters" who are usually young voters, more than Republicans.  Romney thought he could win because many of the regular white voters switched to Romney in 2012.  Romney thought it would not be possible for Obama to duplicate the GOTV from 2008, but he did.  Granted, Romney's personality is not as warm as Obama's, and that was the only reason many of these "casual voters" disliked Romney.  Romney had always scored higher ratings for competence and the economy. 

Obama even created a Facebook app, to pressure college students into voting.  It worked, but its lame that he needed the Facebook crowd to help him win the election.  He should have just gone on American Idol with Ryan Seacrest endorsing him. 

[milhouse24]

The overwhelming majority of voters are uninformed and vote based on poorly defined perceptions. This is news to you?

That just means we have "Survival of the Dumbest" with the country being run by the politician who can captivate the casual American Idol/Facebook voter, without running on issues.  I suppose that would explain why this country is run by Idiots, since we have the majority of voters as Idiots. 

Why do you hate democracy? Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea.

Nah, Communist Russia is better because they pracitce socialism. 

[milhouse24]

Since most of us have talked to extended family members during the turkey day celebrations, did anyone encounter any relatives who were previously disinterested in politics or current events, but suddenly became very interested in voting for Obama? 

I spoke with my cousin, and she was upset that I didn't vote for Obama so I asked her why didn't she want to vote for Romney, and she just replied "I just didn't like him (Romney)," without offering any specifics about why Romney was "bad" and Obama was "good for the country."  Now this girl has no interest in current events or politics and is in her late 20's.  I've tried to talk to her about current events or politics in the past, and she has no knowledge or interest in reading a daily newspaper.  She's a graduate art student, so that is her sphere of knowledge.

Obama won because he succeeded in "Turning out uneducated first-time voters who were young and/or minorities."  His campaign staff, made it important to "vote" even if that voter had a very limited education of political policies or issues.  While I support every American's right to vote, I would rather Americans have an educated voter turnout. 

I feel that Obama's reliance on "First time voters" does a disservice to the election process if those "first time voters" are uneducated about political issues, but are voting specifically for Obama based on "pop-media societal peer pressure for a cult of personality."  They vote for Obama because he is "handsome and has a warm personality for cultural acceptance."

I don't think any other Politician now or in the future can inspire such political participation from the uneducated masses.  Obama is a "massive media celebrity" that likely will never be duplicated.  No other politicians in the past: Reagan, Carter, Clinton, or Dubya have ever inspired "first time voters" to "go out and vote." 

Has anyone else encountered Ditzy Uneducated Obama or Romney voters that vote based on personality or superficial reasons?

Oh give me a break.  Do you know how many people didn't vote for Obama simply because he is black?

They never say that of course, but there are apparently many euphemisms for black.

I was watching a Romney rally in Ohio and someone when asked why he won't vote for Obama he said:  I see a lot of socialism.  I bet if they asked him what socialism he would have no clue.
Another woman said he's an atheist, muslim who used to go to Rev. Wright's church.  When the reporter asked her which one of the 3 is he, she said "All 3!"

And lets not even go into Bill O'Reilly's traditional values.  So I'm sorry but ignorance is a bad thing but if anything Obama didn't benefit from it, he suffered from it.

There are far more non-whites and young people that voted for Obama specifically because he was "Black" or "Biracial" and represented "a multi-cultural american hero" than those who voted against him specifically because he was "black"

If a white Democrat like John Kerry had the same platform and said the same things as Obama, he would lose. 

[milhouse24]

Since most of us have talked to extended family members during the turkey day celebrations, did anyone encounter any relatives who were previously disinterested in politics or current events, but suddenly became very interested in voting for Obama? 

I spoke with my cousin, and she was upset that I didn't vote for Obama so I asked her why didn't she want to vote for Romney, and she just replied "I just didn't like him (Romney)," without offering any specifics about why Romney was "bad" and Obama was "good for the country."  Now this girl has no interest in current events or politics and is in her late 20's.  I've tried to talk to her about current events or politics in the past, and she has no knowledge or interest in reading a daily newspaper.  She's a graduate art student, so that is her sphere of knowledge.

Obama won because he succeeded in "Turning out uneducated first-time voters who were young and/or minorities."  His campaign staff, made it important to "vote" even if that voter had a very limited education of political policies or issues.  While I support every American's right to vote, I would rather Americans have an educated voter turnout. 

I feel that Obama's reliance on "First time voters" does a disservice to the election process if those "first time voters" are uneducated about political issues, but are voting specifically for Obama based on "pop-media societal peer pressure for a cult of personality."  They vote for Obama because he is "handsome and has a warm personality for cultural acceptance."

I don't think any other Politician now or in the future can inspire such political participation from the uneducated masses.  Obama is a "massive media celebrity" that likely will never be duplicated.  No other politicians in the past: Reagan, Carter, Clinton, or Dubya have ever inspired "first time voters" to "go out and vote." 

Has anyone else encountered Ditzy Uneducated Obama or Romney voters that vote based on personality or superficial reasons?

Oh give me a break.  Do you know how many people didn't vote for Obama simply because he is black?

They never say that of course, but there are apparently many euphemisms for black.

I was watching a Romney rally in Ohio and someone when asked why he won't vote for Obama he said:  I see a lot of socialism.  I bet if they asked him what socialism he would have no clue.
Another woman said he's an atheist, muslim who used to go to Rev. Wright's church.  When the reporter asked her which one of the 3 is he, she said "All 3!"

And lets not even go into Bill O'Reilly's traditional values.  So I'm sorry but ignorance is a bad thing but if anything Obama didn't benefit from it, he suffered from it.

There are far more non-whites and young people that voted for Obama specifically because he was "Black" or "Biracial" and represented "a multi-cultural american hero" than those who voted against him specifically because he was "black"

If a white Democrat like John Kerry had the same platform and said the same things as Obama, he would lose. 

So you're really convinced that there is is this unending line of voters who supported Obama because his racial background made them feel all warm and fuzzy inside? You're wrong, but far be it from me to burst your bubble of denial.

Obama won because he got minority voters excited enough to turnout and win the election.  IF these minority voters never showed up, he would have lost to Romney.  He got 99% of Black voters to turn out for him.  He got far more Hispanic voters to turn out for him.  It wasn't just becuase of his "immigration policies," a lot of it had to do with his racial background and who he was as a person, versus the lilly-white Romney who didn't know any minorities. 

[milhouse24]

So it's Obama's fault for being the first black president. I think you wrongly assume that minority voters are swayed by the color of someone's skin, while white voters carefully examine each candidate. I'm also pretty sure you have been making this argument for quite some time now even after people have taken you to task over it many times.

Maybe no other Black or white Democrat can ever replicate Obama's minority turnout.  But Obama's skin color was one of the main factors that allowed him to get such a high Black turnout and become a "movement figure" for young voters.  Boring white guys like John Kerry would never be able to match the turnout of Black Americans or Young americans.  Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson wouldn't have been able to excite young voters.