What Should the GOP Do To Appeal To Minorities?

[milhouse24]

I know plenty of minority Males that are republican.  So the GOP just needs to re-enforce low taxes, pro-small business owner, and small govt to win Male voters.  Besides, minority voters aren't as important as rich donors and the Swing states are more voters that are hispanic and Cubans are strongly REpublican, but Mexicans swing democrat. 

[milhouse24]

And which direction has the crime rate gone in black communities since the Johnson administration? How many more babies do we have born out of wedlock? What has happened to the poverty rate among blacks? The black community is a perfect example of what the country would be like if everyone voted democrat.

Congrats on proving why Blacks don't like the Republican party, because many Republicans don't like Blacks and are hostile to helping the Black community.  You claim its because of Democrats that cause all of the problems for the Black communities. 

I don't really see any rich Republicans caring about Black problems.  At least Democrats and LBJ passed the Civil Rights Legislation.  The GOP doesn't care about giving handouts to minority small business owners, its survival of the fittest and richest for the already wealthy.

Plus, on a social issue, GOP want to keep the white and black communities separated, just like in the old days.

[milhouse24]

And which direction has the crime rate gone in black communities since the Johnson administration? How many more babies do we have born out of wedlock? What has happened to the poverty rate among blacks? The black community is a perfect example of what the country would be like if everyone voted democrat.

Congrats on proving why Blacks don't like the Republican party, because many Republicans don't like Blacks and are hostile to helping the Black community.  You claim its because of Democrats that cause all of the problems for the Black communities.  

I don't really see any rich Republicans caring about Black problems.  At least Democrats and LBJ passed the Civil Rights Legislation.  The GOP doesn't care about giving handouts to minority small business owners, its survival of the fittest and richest for the already wealthy.

Plus, on a social issue, GOP want to keep the white and black communities separated, just like in the old days.

Dewey and Taft were fighting for civil rights while LBJ was voting against Anti-Lynching bills.

90% of the GOP voted for the Civil Rights act, including both Conservatives led by Everett Dirksen and Liberals of the Rockefeller wing. Without Dirksen's Conservatives it wouldn't have passed. Three Republicans Voted no, Goldwater, Tower, and and Milton Young. It was 67% yes for the Dems. With such Liberal icons as Robert Byrd (god rest his soul for he atleast grew a brain), Al Gore Sr, J William Fulbright (Clinton's mentor and loved by the left due to Vietnam opposition), and Sam Ervin (loved by the left for leading the fight to impeach Nixon) voting no. Nixon was fighting for the Civil Rights bills of 1957 and 1960 which LBJ gets credit for while JFK was dithering on the issue to gain Southern Voters. In 2005, the GOP Congress and evil, omg son of the Devil GEORGE BUSH renewed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

That second part is a bold face lie as son of the devil Bush gave numerous tax breaks and other incentives to minority small business owners and entreprenuers.

Today, yes the programs that sought to help blacks have had the negative effect of destroying the African American family which, according to left wing historian Howard Zinn, was essential to African Americans surviving slavery and segregation.  

The greatest threat and hinderance to the black community and we aren't even allowed to discuss because of your political correctness. You are destroying the black community because you insist on shaping the debate for whats good politically not whats best for the black community and to do that you make sure any challenge to established thought on the subject is RACISM. You and your corrupt party have a nice little con game going on. You aren't interest in helping people but creating long term voting blocks of machine voters so you can enact your adjenda which you "think" will help them but it may not. And we can't even challenge you because you hide behind the racism charge. Democrats are cowards, especially liberal ones.

You want to help Blacks, then drop the arrogance inherent liberals and listen to the opposite side for once instead of categorizing all conservatives as kooks. Republicans don't have a problem with blacks. They have a problem with balls. The balls to face down people like you and address the real problem. They are too afraid, they tried the politically correct path in 2000 and you people responded with ad featuring a brutal crime committed against an African American saying that if Bush is elected that will be your future. Well from what I see it, January 20, 2001 nothing changed from the Clinton years (which did nothing either despite media hype as the first black President, lol). I think its liberals that are afraid. If blacks finally start to become more open about who to vote for the Democratic party will instantly be in trouble. If 25% of OH blacks voted Republican, the state would be a secure red state. MI and PA would become even or Republican leaning swing states instead of Dem leaning swing states. The TX gains will be wiped out. FL becomes a safe GOP state. Yea, I think Dems are afraid and even somewhat patronizing, if not racist, in their methods to keep blacks in line, voting 95% Dem.

The black family has been destroyed. Blacks kids have no postive role models. Even in the media the only positive role model of stature is Bill Cosby and maybe Oprah. Yet I hear it all the time, around here, young blacks don't like either. The media has promoted blacks of questionable intregrity who treat women like crap, who make drugs look cool and at the same time, trivialize respectable people. No amount of money is going to prevent kids from starting drugs, or joing a gang, or committing a robbery, or vandalizing property. Only a strong family unit (even a homosexual one would do the trick) in which the parents instill core values of hard work, honesty, and integrity. Thats the one thing blacks lack that every other race has by wide margins. The numbers show this problem is far worse in the black community then any other group and it needs to be addressed. Or the main career path for young blacks in the city will remain crime and jail.

Somehow I doubt that Dr. King spent his life fighting for equality and justice just so the African Community could laid prostrate by social ills caused by the collapse of the family, which not only survived Slavery (going back to Zinn) but help blacks get survive that hell. You can make the the case for affirmative action and even reparations but you can throw all kinds of money here and not one thing will change. I think we oh it to the black community to address this problem don't you? The pillar that helped them get through enormous difficulty and living hell has been torn assunder. And your solution is, for us who offer an alternative, to shut up, sh**t down, cower in fear, and do nothing. So the Dumbocrats can take there sweat time just like they did last time. The blacks can afford to wait another 40 years while you people find your soul again on black issues. Well guess what, the GOP is already there, they just don't realize it yet. You people in general aren't. The battlelines have moved and you want to fight the 1960's all over again with the new "dixiecrats". That ship has sailed, times have changed, the problems facing the community have taken on a different character. Get with the times on it or accept that the Dem monopoly on black voters may become endangered.

Do as you will, but you don't scare me with your political correctness and no other Conservative should be afraid either. I am not a racist, my best friends in high school consisted of several African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian Americans. My first girlfriend/crush whatever you want to call it was with a black girl (damn why did I have to move away from her, well its probably for the best considering my relationships never last ). I respect good people, color never crosses my mind when considering who I should be friends with. So I won't be driven away by a simple mention of the "r" word. I also am not a hack and your first response will be to do what Moderate Dem did to me which is accuse me of opposing welfare entirely (I don't, I oppose the way it is crafted to encourage destruction of poor families). You also can't use slavery destroying the family on me like Moderate Dem did because I cited an "LEFT WING" author to back up the new theory on that. And a passage is currently posted from his book in the LBJ thread in the History Board which describes what I am talking about.


Sorry for the rant/speech/sermon all in one. But I feel this had to be said.

I would say that Obama is a strong positive role model for Black kids.  Mike Steele is a role model.  While I would agree that handouts have made it easier to game the system, there is difficult economic mobility amongst Blacks and I'm not sure if its economic racism or poor education.  Its not enought to just have small business owners, you need a strong Black population in the white collar workforce to encourage growth in the Black middle-class.  Additionally, race has divided and segregated the country since 1965 and its time for communities, towns, and cities to mix races and end racial segregation.  Countries like Brazil have successfully mixed former slaves into the population, we can do it in America as well.

[milhouse24]

Republicans have shown that they can win without any minorities, but that era is fading. Simply supporting affirmative action isn't going to cut it unfortunately. Call for "open borders" with guards who let people easily and amnesty. Also, alot of my conservative counterparts don't realize this but amnesty allows more foreigners to be tracked as opposed to now where the government doesn't know exactly who is who within the illegal community.

I have explained this 100 times. You don't concede, you fight. The pressure groups who control minority votes will never support Republicans. You have to break their grip on those votes. You have to prove to them that they are self serving and not looking out for their best interests.

I won't go into detail on the Amnesty thing (I just did recently). The people pushing amnesty know damn well that future illegal immigration will be encouraged and they will demand yet another amnesty. These groups have been hindering enforcement operations and demaning amnesty since the when the ink had barely dried on the Reagan Amnesty. You are naive or unaware of the history if you think that we won't be having this same arguement 15 years from now. It never changes, it has been their game since the 60's. They won't machine voters, not good policy. I'll be damned if I sign of a bill that only benefits these groups and big agribusiness. It will do nothing for the immigrant who came here legally, the next wave of illegals who will be exploited, the victim of ID theft, and most certainly not the country at-large. My view is the "compassionate" view not the open borders one.

Oh and I please don't hit me with that "you can't round them up crap" because  I already went through why that is not necessary two days ago. Go dig for it.

Its not going to be easy, its going to take courage and effort. Simply changing one position is not going to do it. Bush promised everything under the son and got to 44% of Hispanics, 1% more among African Americans (I will note we are still in the mid 30's among Hispanics about 10% better then Dole's performance in 1996) but it was unsustainable and the promises impossible. A different approach is needed.

The first issue with illegal hispanics is the crime involved with drug smuggling effecting Arizona.  This deserves a strong military response. 

The 2nd issue is dealing with the large illegal immigrant population and whether Amnesty should be given to them or if they should all be deported.  While they can legally be deported, it will take up a lot of time, money, police enforcement to round up non-threatening illegals. 

The Best option is to provide amnesty for non-threatening illegals if the American economy can sustain an influx of immigrants.  By taxing these immigrants as regular citizens, you are preventing them from taking lower-paying American jobs.  With Personal income tax and social security numbers, the illegals are no longer fighting and subverting American jobs but are equals with American workers. 

The American economy can sustain an influx of immigrants otherwise they would not be able to obtain jobs.  Therefore, the only option is to increase the number of immigrants and visas available.

[milhouse24]

They should increase visas for Swedish women

[milhouse24]

The sad fact is that blacks and hispanics, being poorer and paying little income tax on average, are going to vote for the candidate that gives them the most handouts. Republicans would never be able to offer more handouts than the Democrats. Republicans would have to completely alter their traditional ideology to do that. Asians are different, but there are too few of them to matter and they are concentrated in blue states like California anyway.

Here's the real question we should be asking: What should Republicans do to boost their share of the white vote to sufficiently offset the increase in minorities?

I'm pretty sure the GOP has close to 100% of the white male vote.  The only demographics worth fighting for are white women and hispanics.  That is why McCain picked Palin, because he wanted to win White Women voters, but Palin was perceived largely as inexperienced and unintelligent,and not ready for VP or president.  Any other female Senator or Governor can win more women voters.  Meg Whitman could easily win California and become president in 8 years.

[milhouse24]

The sad fact is that blacks and hispanics, being poorer and paying little income tax on average, are going to vote for the candidate that gives them the most handouts. Republicans would never be able to offer more handouts than the Democrats. Republicans would have to completely alter their traditional ideology to do that. Asians are different, but there are too few of them to matter and they are concentrated in blue states like California anyway.

Here's the real question we should be asking: What should Republicans do to boost their share of the white vote to sufficiently offset the increase in minorities?

I'm pretty sure the GOP has close to 100% of the white male vote.  The only demographics worth fighting for are white women and hispanics.  That is why McCain picked Palin, because he wanted to win White Women voters, but Palin was perceived largely as inexperienced and unintelligent,and not ready for VP or president.  Any other female Senator or Governor can win more women voters.  Meg Whitman could easily win California and become president in 8 years.

Lol are you kidding me? 100% of the white male vote?

The GOP usually get over 60% of the white male vote, I think Bush was in the mid 60% and especially wealthy white males.  So I suppose the GOP can appeal more to poor minorities and poor whites.  But I don't really think the GOP needs to pander to Blacks specifically.  They need to focus on the issues.  As I said before, I think Black leaders are more interested in staying with the Democrats and changing Democratic policies.  Its sort of like a northern pro-choicer staying with the GOP.  the political parties try to act as a Big Tent and keep their voters.  The GOP christian conservatives can reach out to Catholic voters and HIspanic voters. 

[milhouse24]

Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

[milhouse24]

Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

My Point is that it is not just Race.  Its also about TRUST.  Black voters trusted Obama to listen to their voice and rising Black prosperity.  By your logic, Blacks should vote GOP because Mike Steele is Black and only because he is Black. 

My point is trust is not just Color/Race, but also past actions by the Democrats, past Democratic politicians like Clinton, and its Big tent philosophy. 

The GOP may try to appeal to Blacks, but can Black leaders trust that their voices will be heard at the RNC, or will they be widely ignored by RNC leaders? 

[milhouse24]

Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

Exactly right. you can't tell me some 94% of the black voting public voted for Obama because of his legislative record.

Its about trust that he would listen to their concerns.  Whites voted for Obama because they trusted him to end the Iraq invasion. 

Blacks are not migrating to the GOP just because Mike Steel is now chairman.

[milhouse24]

Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim. McCain won the white male vote only by about 57-41.

If whites voted as a bloc the way blacks do, they'd decide every election.

I really don't understand why you think the "Whites" would all vote for one candidate such as the GOP candidate.  So, 60% of the country should just vote for the GOP nominee because that person is also white?  Blacks voted for Obama because they hoped he would have an ear for their concerns and issues, not just because he was Black.  Its not about race or racism, its about trusting that person to listen to your voice.  So its ludicrous to think that Whites should not vote for Obama because he is Black or that he won't listen to Surburban white voters. 

In the past elections, there has been 2 white guys, and the White voters didn't have to vote as a bloc!  They actually could decide between 2 candidates not just based on skin color!

He talked about whites voting in a bloc because you said McCain won nearly 100% of the white male vote, which was completely inaccurate. And the GOP would fail if it tries to appeal to poor minorities, since those groups feel that the GOP doesn't care about them and have felt that way for decades. Thus, it is too late for the GOP to try changing their views. And a lot of blacks did vote for Obama (especially in the primaries) because he was black. If Obama was white, Hillary would have won 70+% of the black vote in the Democratic primaries and less blacks voters would have came out to vote in the general election.

Exactly right. you can't tell me some 94% of the black voting public voted for Obama because of his legislative record.

So why did about 90% of Blacks vote for Kerry and Gore?

I was talking more about the primaries and Obama's race probably did give him several extra % of the black vote in the general election.

Yeah they voted for Obama in the primary because they wanted a black president. Considering there hasn't been one in the over 200 year history of America, I don't think they were in the wrong.

So racism is okay when blacks do it?

I think you are being over-simplistic when you say Blacks are racist, meaning they are anti-White.  By your logic, Blacks are racist because they will never vote for McCain or any other white presidential candidate?  Now, a Black person may vote for Obama because he feels that Obama better represents his values and situation and can carry out actions that better effect his life.  I'm sure far more whites voted against Obama because of his skin color, than whites who voted for Obama because of guilt over his skin color.  Blacks may not have trusted McCain on issues that concerned them or think that McCain had concerns for Black citizens or the Black rising middle class. 

Do you think its better for Citizens to vote primarily on Wealth?  If I am Wealthy and make a certain tax bracket, then I should automatically vote Republican?  If I am a Christian conservative, then I have to vote Republican? 

There are many ways to stereotype voters based on Demographics.  The winner will always be the one who appeals to and appears to listen to the most voters.