Atlasian Civil Liberties Caucus (ACLC)

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I'm currently working with ACLU founder Bono to get this group going again as a caucus.  It's still in a development stage, and we're currently drafting bylaws for the approval of the membership, but new members are welcome.

To become a member, just post in this thread, and we'll keep you updated on our progress.

Current members are:
Akno21 (I-Maryland)
Bono (I-South Carolina)
Emsworth (ILP-Nevada)
Goldwater (CUP-Oregon)
Harry (FLP-Mississippi)
Josh22 (SAP-North Carolina
KEmperor (CUP-New York)
Lewis Trondheim (FLP-Hawaii)
LiberalPA (ILP-Pennsylvania)
Cosmo Kramer (SAP-Arkansas)
Ebowed (FLP-South Carolina)
Q (CUP-Georgia)

Harry is in the SAP party

Yeah, Harry's a sap.

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As a member of the ACLC, I support endorcement of MHS.

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I disagree with the death penalty plank... other than that, it's solid. However, I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

Where does it say anywhere that we have the right to leave prison if we're convicted? If they did the crime, they should do the time. Keeping them out infringes on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness( and yes, i know thats not in the constitution)BUT they are American and still deserve the right to the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and many others including the right to life

So you are saying that people do NOT have the right to freely associate and travel within the country?  Because by locking up criminals, we are infringing on their right to do so. 

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I agree with LiberalPA: we need a plank supporting the Second Amendment.

now wait a minute....i dont think it should be in FULL support of the 2nd amendment. what i mean is it should support an assault weapon ban, but oppose any other ban (ex: a ban on handguns).

The ACLC cant support the death penalty either. Thats completely ridiculous.

That's silly.  You either support the right to bear arms, or you don't.  And since said right is clearly a "civil liberty" enshrined in our Constitution, we should support it.

As far as im concerned, there is no or very little difference in civil rights between me and a convicted murderer. We're both Atlasians.

How so?  Unrestricted civil liberties don't apply to convicted murderers.

So you support freeing all criminals currently in prison?  Incarceration by definition is an infringement upon a person's right to freedom.

Where does it say anywhere that we have the right to leave prison if we're convicted? If they did the crime, they should do the time. Keeping them out infringes on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness( and yes, i know thats not in the constitution)BUT they are American and still deserve the right to the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and many others including the right to life

So you are saying that people do NOT have the right to freely associate and travel within the country?  Because by locking up criminals, we are infringing on their right to do so. 

i did not say they should have EVERY right, but rights like the right to life should most certainly be thiers

Ok, so you agree with me that a criminal forfeits CERTAIN rights when they violate the rights of others, and are punished by the removal of those rights.  Good.

Now, is it the job of our organization to be deciding on which rights those are?  I would say it's much more important to be defending the rights of law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

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Prayer is not a government issue.

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PROPOSED PLANK FIVE (PRO CHOICE)
The Atlasian Civil Liberties Caucus supports the legality of abortion until birth, as we find that the fetus is not a legal citizen.  We feel that the government should not attempt to impose its moral values on the People by banning any abortions; instead, the decision should be left to the woman.  We also oppose restrictions such as partner and parental consent or notification.

I support this plank.

As do I.

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Quohog, Rhode Island.

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BTW, it is Quahog, RI not Quohog, RI.

Regardless, I nominate that town.

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BTW, it is Quahog, RI not Quohog, RI.

I thought we had to nominate a real city?

Shh.....

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We should have our conference on top of that mountain.  First one to the top sets the agenda....GO!