Haiti Question

[KeeptheChange]

Given that Haiti is practically at its knees without a functioning government, if their president requests that the United States occupy and run the country (at least temporarily) until it gets back on its feet, should we do so? 

No.  Haiti is a poster child for uselessness.  Why spend good money after bad?  The same applies to relief efforts.  And before anyone accuses me of lacking compassion, please explain what is compassionate about sending money and supplies to a country where roving bands of thugs will simply appropriate it and sell it to the highest bidder? It's Somalia all over again.

Let Haiti burn.

[KeeptheChange]

Given that Haiti is practically at its knees without a functioning government, if their president requests that the United States occupy and run the country (at least temporarily) until it gets back on its feet, should we do so? 

No.  Haiti is a poster child for uselessness.  Why spend good money after bad?  The same applies to relief efforts.  And before anyone accuses me of lacking compassion, please explain what is compassionate about sending money and supplies to a country where roving bands of thugs will simply appropriate it and sell it to the highest bidder? It's Somalia all over again.

Let Haiti burn.

You're a bad person.

Sorry you feel that way.  Haiti is a pisshole we have been pissing money down for over a century.  Why hasn't it helped?  And we are not the only country that has helped Haiti over the years.

Liberals had better learn a lesson from Haiti.  You can't solve the problems of poverty by throwing fistfulls of money at them.  Some people and, apparently, some cultures don't WANT to improve themselves.  They deserve whatever they get.  Now, I am not saying we should do anything to make life worse for them.  I am just saying we should learn the lesson -- fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

[KeeptheChange]

You should try to interest yourself in the word...cooperation. That's a cool concept in which your compassion, given you assume you have some, could find a way to express itself beyond 'throwing money'.

I do believe in compassion.  But let me ask you this.

If you have a friend or neighbor who uses crack, and he keeps crying about how he's poor, unemployed, sick and needy...you might, very understandably, want to help him.  So you give him some money and offer to drive him to rehab.  He takes the money, says thanks and toots up.  A week later, he comes back again.  Do you give him more money?  Please tell me you wouldn't, because you seem smart.


Of course you wouldn't.  It's the same with nations.  Only in this case, Haiti has come begging to us for a hundred years or more...always with their hand out, pleading disaster or poverty or civil war.  Now yes, those things are real and they did happen.  But you don't just keep handing them money hoping, "this time, they will change".  The place is a craphole and until the people there start behaving like human beings instead of animals (ever heard of necklacing? Google it.), why should we keep enabling them.

Let it burn.

[KeeptheChange]

Only whites are real people, yeah. Those ns are subhuman.

Good heavens, when will you leftists get over the whole race thing?  Please look at my post history, particularly the thread about David Duke (which some asshole hijacked and turned into a rant about pro-family views on homosexuality of all thngs). 

I think racism is disgusting and wrong.  Always. 

The problem with Haiti is not the color of its citizens' skin.  It is the choices its citizens have made to live in perpetual squalor, to behave like violent animals and criminals and to consistently elect or tolerate leaders who do the same. What we are doing is throwing good money after bad. No sane person or country does that.

[KeeptheChange]

Benoît, don't you see? Haiti is poor because of an active choice of every single Haitian.

Basically, yes.

Let me frame the question differently.  In the 1600's, small bands of settlers came to this country with a vision for building a nation out of nothing. They had no government dole.  They had no absurd notions about being entitled to "a hand up".  They had their wits, their work ethic and their religious faith.  The Haitians had exactly the same thing.  (Although, it could be argued that those who settled what became the USA were worse off...because they were beset by repeated Indian massacres and, later, under the thumb of a tax-happy King.)  But let's call it even. 


Why did the Haitian experiment fail?  Surely you would not suggest it is because the Haitian is intrinsically inferior to the white European?  I sure wouldn't.  A Haitian is every bit as capable Tof intelligence, hard work, courage and personal responsibility as anyone else.  Given the liberal insistence on the equality of races (something they are absolutely right about), I find it shocking that anyone claiming to be liberal would suggest otherwise.  So I shall assume you agree.

Haiti is a nation of failures, with a history of "epic fail" because the people have made that choice.  They have chosen to tolerate dictators.  They have chosen to accept foreign welfare, rather than relying on their own wits and work. They have chosen an attitude of victimization and entitlement to endless reparation because of the crime of slavery.

So yes...the statement stands.  Haiti is a crap hole and its people are not worth saving.  The only ray of hope I have is that perhaps a Haitian leader or movement will arise that realizes this. And perhaps they will yet choose to live differently.  I have my doubts but I would be happy to be proved wrong!!!!