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HoffmanJohn
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« on: February 07, 2010, 10:58:21 AM »

when it comes to judea-christian religions...Plato is perhaps the most influential philosopher. For example his mind body dualism, and theory of forms have influenced christian thinkers, and share many similarities with christian doctrine.

1.) What/who exactly did Plato influence?

2.) Mind/ Body dualism probably rests upon a category mistake. IMO
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 02:49:50 PM »

Than why has the west adopted platonic notions of the mind and soul?
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 04:15:29 PM »

Than why has the west adopted platonic notions of the mind and soul?
Has it?

I thought most christians believe in the existence of soul as being separate from the body? if this is true than yes.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 06:25:38 PM »

http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/wphil/lectures/wphil_theme02.htm#Influence%20on%20Christianity

I really shouldn't have to mention this.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 12:54:30 PM »

I, of course, will yield the stage to jmfcst if he has issue with my depiction of Christianity, but here's my view on the differences between Plato and Christianity.

So, according to Plato's Phaedo,, when our physical forms die, and our souls continue onward to inhabit a new form.  The soul does not die, anymore than a note dies when an instrument stops playing.  The soul (an analogy for Plato's beloved "forms") sheds its physical prison, but is eventually tied to a new one.

It doesn't work that way in Christianity.  Despite its pop-cultural depiction, the Bible predicts resurrection in flesh at the end.  Resurgam.  People will get out of their graves.  Plato would've found this image horrifying.

yeah, but it's not even a matter of correctly portraying Christianity's view of the resurrection, because to say that Plato influenced Christianity's thinking in distinguishing between the body/mind/soul/spirit/heart is to completely ignore the writings of the Old Testament which from the earliest chapters of Genesis made such distinctions.  That is why I asked if he had actually read the bible before making claims that even a biblical novice could shred into pieces.

that's not to say Plato hasn't had some isolated influence among the vast diversity of the history of the Post-Apostolic church, but he certainly didn't influence the writers of the bible, most of which was written before Plato was even born.

I agree, but than how has plato-influenced the post-apostolic church?
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2010, 11:06:21 AM »

Lots of important classical Greek philosophical terminology in John's Gospel, though.  The author of that Gospel clearly used the terminology in specifically Christian senses, but he did see fit to use it.  That's at least some degree of influence.

can you show me some examples?
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