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[hawkeye59]

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno

What exactly is anti-zionism? Is it the belief that Israel should not exist, or is it the belief that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders?

[hawkeye59]

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno

What exactly is anti-zionism? Is it the belief that Israel should not exist, or is it the belief that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders?

Generally opposition to zionism -- the idea that the Jews should have their own theocratic little reich.  As there are Jews who are anti-zionist, to say anti-zionism is antisemitic is dildos.

Even if Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is certainly the top choice of white supremacists and anti-Zionists. And he refuses to reject their support.

Anti-Zionism isn't a bad thing, bro.  It's not the same thing as antisemitism.

The problem is that anti-zionism is used by many as a cover for their underlying anti-semitism. I don't know what exactly is going on in Ron Paul's mind, though.

Lolno

Indeed, I believe that the almost pathological obsession many Israel bashers have with that tiny country is probably rooted in antisemitism. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism per se, but in many cases these two concepts go hand in hand. (and for the record: I interpret anti-zionism = Israel should not exist)

It's more likely rooted in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state.

Well, I mean, do anti-zionists not believe that Israel should exist, or should they just reform their laws? You could say the same thing about a lot of Arab countries. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and maybe Turkey (what with the Kurds) are all good examples of "apartheid states"

[hawkeye59]

Anti-Zionism means a lot of things to different people, but the purest definition would be along the lines of this:

A rejection of the idea that a Jewish state, by and for Jews, should exist, and non-Jews living in that state have unequal rights.

By that definition, I'm somewhat anti-Zionist - and I've been to Israel, and loved it there.  Great, friendly people.  But they really need to stop d*cking over the Palestinians, and believe the ideal solution is a state that wholly recognizes the rights of its minority populations (Arab Christians, Arab Muslims, Druze, hell, even Ethiopian Jews).

That said, Israel really needs to solve its ultra-orthodox problem.  Everything else is tied up in that.

I'm a Jew, and I support this. They should put aside hate, and solve their problems by compromising. Both Israel and Palestine have faults. But both sides should agree to a two-state solution, Israel and Palestine. The Israeli and the Palestinian people need to vote the current anti-peace extremists in power, and vote in a Sadat for the Palestinians and a Rabin or Begin for the Israelis.