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« on: March 04, 2016, 05:31:42 PM »

What's hilarious is that not only does trump have no policies, he clearly has no idea what's made his campaign remotely successful. He just repeats whatever the voices in his head that predominate at a given moment are saying.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 06:11:32 PM »

Step by step Trump will drop the extreme positions he took in the primary. Backing off from deporting all undocumented is coming. Same thing with the Muslim ban. 

Romney was mocked for the "Etch-A-Sketch" reset, but he never really did pivot and what pivoting he did, he did very late.  By the California primary Trump will be well on his way to transitioning to Mr. Moderate. Will general election voters buy it? That remains to be seen.

trump has not yet won the nomination, and many of the votes he has won so far he won through bloodthirstiness. This will demotivate his primary supporters -- and at a time in mid-March when the nominating contest is in full swing and he desperately needs them.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 07:17:05 PM »

I like how the anti-TRUMP trolls are trying to paint this as a bad thing.  Also love the Sandernistaesque idea that politicians should never change their views lol

We're not saying it's a bad thing

Speak for yourself, I'm saying it's a bad thing. Politicians should not flip-flop on the issues they are most closely associated with when the direction the wind blows from changes.

We're not saying it's a bad thing, this is a good thing if he is sincere about actually giving up an extreme-right position on an issue like this and moving into sensible territory. But on the other hand it makes him look like a flip-flopper much like Romney.

I don't really understand how being a "flip-flopper" is a bad thing.  I prefer my politicians to be responsive to the wishes of the general population and willing to admit when they are wrong.

On the extreme off-chance that trump is elected, you'll find out exactly why flip-flopping is a bad thing.

Step by step Trump will drop the extreme positions he took in the primary. Backing off from deporting all undocumented is coming. Same thing with the Muslim ban. 

Romney was mocked for the "Etch-A-Sketch" reset, but he never really did pivot and what pivoting he did, he did very late.  By the California primary Trump will be well on his way to transitioning to Mr. Moderate. Will general election voters buy it? That remains to be seen.

trump has not yet won the nomination, and many of the votes he has won so far he won through bloodthirstiness. This will demotivate his primary supporters -- and at a time in mid-March when the nominating contest is in full swing and he desperately needs them.

The GOP delegate races passes the halfway point in less than 2 weeks. It enters the fourth quarter in mid April with the last set of delegates dominated by 'blue' states like NY, PA, CT, DE, MD, RI, WA, OR, NM...and last but very much not least, CA.  His transition away from the dark side will mostly take place during this period so he can go into the con as a 'uniter'...this will be even more important if it is a contested con as he has to convince delegates he can compete in the general.

Republican voters in these states are still very conservative, however. (Note that polling from early January showed Cruz winning California, and we know trump has never overperformed in any primary poling). trump could do well in the Northeastern ones, but those are mostly proportional states, and we know those are bad for him. Trying to pivot will cost him vital delegates and make it likelier for us to take him to Cleveland. 
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